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Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs
not working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they
wouldn't start.

That said the NA 3.3 was too small for the fullsize truck-unless you
never need to go over 50 mph as was the case for some in-town
vocational trucks. Many medium duty straight trucks were sold with
four cylinder Cumminses and three or four cylinder Detroits which
wouldn't do 55 mph with a van body up through the late sixties or
early seventies. Many bread vans with gas engines wouldn't either. Had
they used the turbo engine performance would have bettered the /6
which admittedly isn't saying much...

Properly used these are remarkable powerplants, but they are 200
CID...not 400.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Ted Azito wrote:

> Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs not
> working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they wouldn't
> start.

Mm. So, three different sources telling the same fib due to malfunctioning
glow plugs on three different engines, eh? Obviously, because otherwise it
would mean the engines were garbage, and since Ted Azito says they are the
very paragon of automotive powerplant engineering, that couldn't
*possibly* be so. Ignore the utter market failure of the engine; that's
just a conspiracy to make Ted Azito look like he doesn't know what the
hell he's talking about.

> Properly used these are remarkable powerplants

....blah blah blah...

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Ted Azito wrote:

> Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs not
> working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they wouldn't
> start.

Mm. So, three different sources telling the same fib due to malfunctioning
glow plugs on three different engines, eh? Obviously, because otherwise it
would mean the engines were garbage, and since Ted Azito says they are the
very paragon of automotive powerplant engineering, that couldn't
*possibly* be so. Ignore the utter market failure of the engine; that's
just a conspiracy to make Ted Azito look like he doesn't know what the
hell he's talking about.

> Properly used these are remarkable powerplants

....blah blah blah...

Ted Azito wrote:

> Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs
> not working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they
> wouldn't start.

Except for the fact that this article was written in 1978 and it was a
BRAND NEW TRUCK!
>
> Properly used these are remarkable powerplants, but they are 200
> CID...not 400.

Remarkably crappy, that is. The Cummins B5.9 is only 360 CID, and works
just great in vehicles more than 4x the weight of a D-100, so the fact
that its "only" 200 CID is no excuse.

Ted Azito wrote:

> Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs
> not working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they
> wouldn't start.

Except for the fact that this article was written in 1978 and it was a
BRAND NEW TRUCK!
>
> Properly used these are remarkable powerplants, but they are 200
> CID...not 400.

Remarkably crappy, that is. The Cummins B5.9 is only 360 CID, and works
just great in vehicles more than 4x the weight of a D-100, so the fact
that its "only" 200 CID is no excuse.

Ted Azito wrote:

> Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs
> not working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they
> wouldn't start.

You shouldn't need the glow plugs to ignite the fuel for very long after
engine start. It is also a symptom of a very poorly calibrated fuel
injection pump or improperly sized injectors.


Matt

Ted Azito wrote:

> Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs
> not working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they
> wouldn't start.

You shouldn't need the glow plugs to ignite the fuel for very long after
engine start. It is also a symptom of a very poorly calibrated fuel
injection pump or improperly sized injectors.


Matt

Funny Bill, but in reality Bush has had only one successful policy in his
first (and most likely last term). It was the "Do Not Call" list. I
suspect he will go down in history as the Do Not Call President.

"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ...
> Art wrote:
>
>> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>James C. Reeves wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thus the reason we, as a people, will always repeat history. We simply
>>>>refuse to learn from it...then cry the blues when it does happen (why
>>>>didn't the President do something?) when it's all our own fault. Oh
>>>>well...hang on. Glad my commute is only 4-miles and I have a
>>>>telecommute option. I can go over a month on a tank of gas if I
>>>>absolutely must. Now the fuel oil to heat my house is a bigger problem!!
>>>>:-(
>>>
>>>Not to worry - help is on the way. If JK gets elected, all he'll have to
>>>do is say to Saudi Arabia "Hey guys - could you lower the prices a
>>>little?", and they'd say "Oh - ummm - OK!". Problem solved. 8^)
>
>> Yeah like Bush solved any problems in the last 3.5 years. Give us all a
>> break. The guy is one catastrophe after another.
>
> Oh yes - I know, Art, how in a parallel universe in which the PoTUS was
> Gore or Kerry for the last 4 years the Islamists are all just peace and
> love, 9/11 never happened, flu shots are abounding, women still can't vote
> in Afghanistan, Afghanistan no longer produces poppies as the raw
> materials for it's biggest export, Kofi Anan's son stopped making
> under-the-table deals with France and Germany in the Oil for Food program
> which was their motivation for blocking the taking out of Sadam, Sadam
> quit offering and paying suicide bomber/murderers' families for their
> loving acts against innocents, the DNC recalled it's policy of routing out
> voter fraud wherever they could find it and, where it didn't exist, to
> plant the idea that it did anyway in the minds of the public, everyone is
> covered by free cradle-to-grave health insurance while taxes have dropped
> to their lowest levels ever and the national debt has been wiped out,
> industry is being punished by disincentives to keep production in the U.S.
> yet they are magically doubling the size of all their U.S. production
> facilities every year, genocide was prevented by the UN in Sudan, U.S.
> unemployment figures match the double-digit numbers of France and Germany,
> and Al Franken and James Carville both have viable radio talk shows.
>
> I just can't wait for the Kerry Utopian society in which we need to pass
> the Global Approval Test before we take appropriate action in light of the
> Oil for Food stuff and absolute appalling UN inaction in Sudan (I guess
> they're waiting once again for the U.S. to go in and try to fix it so we
> get the blame for any and all problems and the other countries can
> continue to profit from the situation). Yes - we want a guy as President
> who met with the Viet Cong in Paris while the war was still going on -
> Yeah - that's my man for President! What a joke.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')
>
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Funny Bill, but in reality Bush has had only one successful policy in his
first (and most likely last term). It was the "Do Not Call" list. I
suspect he will go down in history as the Do Not Call President.

"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ...
> Art wrote:
>
>> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>James C. Reeves wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thus the reason we, as a people, will always repeat history. We simply
>>>>refuse to learn from it...then cry the blues when it does happen (why
>>>>didn't the President do something?) when it's all our own fault. Oh
>>>>well...hang on. Glad my commute is only 4-miles and I have a
>>>>telecommute option. I can go over a month on a tank of gas if I
>>>>absolutely must. Now the fuel oil to heat my house is a bigger problem!!
>>>>:-(
>>>
>>>Not to worry - help is on the way. If JK gets elected, all he'll have to
>>>do is say to Saudi Arabia "Hey guys - could you lower the prices a
>>>little?", and they'd say "Oh - ummm - OK!". Problem solved. 8^)
>
>> Yeah like Bush solved any problems in the last 3.5 years. Give us all a
>> break. The guy is one catastrophe after another.
>
> Oh yes - I know, Art, how in a parallel universe in which the PoTUS was
> Gore or Kerry for the last 4 years the Islamists are all just peace and
> love, 9/11 never happened, flu shots are abounding, women still can't vote
> in Afghanistan, Afghanistan no longer produces poppies as the raw
> materials for it's biggest export, Kofi Anan's son stopped making
> under-the-table deals with France and Germany in the Oil for Food program
> which was their motivation for blocking the taking out of Sadam, Sadam
> quit offering and paying suicide bomber/murderers' families for their
> loving acts against innocents, the DNC recalled it's policy of routing out
> voter fraud wherever they could find it and, where it didn't exist, to
> plant the idea that it did anyway in the minds of the public, everyone is
> covered by free cradle-to-grave health insurance while taxes have dropped
> to their lowest levels ever and the national debt has been wiped out,
> industry is being punished by disincentives to keep production in the U.S.
> yet they are magically doubling the size of all their U.S. production
> facilities every year, genocide was prevented by the UN in Sudan, U.S.
> unemployment figures match the double-digit numbers of France and Germany,
> and Al Franken and James Carville both have viable radio talk shows.
>
> I just can't wait for the Kerry Utopian society in which we need to pass
> the Global Approval Test before we take appropriate action in light of the
> Oil for Food stuff and absolute appalling UN inaction in Sudan (I guess
> they're waiting once again for the U.S. to go in and try to fix it so we
> get the blame for any and all problems and the other countries can
> continue to profit from the situation). Yes - we want a guy as President
> who met with the Viet Cong in Paris while the war was still going on -
> Yeah - that's my man for President! What a joke.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')
>
>
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Gee.
I never knew they made a first !