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Radiator Fan Problems on a 1994 Saturn SL1 SOHC
my radiator fan will not turn on..
it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. any Ideas? thanksm Fred |
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You do not mention if you checked the Coolant Temperature Sensor, but this
is what provides the control signal to turn on the fan. Since it works when you turn on the A/C, this is good and demonstrates that the relay and fan are working normally. I'd put my money on the CTS or the wiring/connector to it. Bob "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message lkaboutautos.com... > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > any Ideas? > > thanksm > Fred > |
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There isn't a "radiator fan switch" on these cars, the fan is controlled by
the ECM based on the coolant temperature sensor, which tends to fail often on some Saturns. Some cars have two sensors, one for the gauge and one for the ECM. Also, when are you expecting it to turn on? It has to be pretty hot.. -- Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada To email, remove "nospam" from Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/ "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message lkaboutautos.com... > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > any Ideas? > > thanksm > Fred > |
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Not untill 95 or 96 was the fan controlled by the ECM..
91-94 is controlled by the coolant temp sensor on the side of the block. About a 12 dollar part.. If you have a gauge the telp gauge should go up the 3/4 mark before the fan turns on. "Robert Hancock" > wrote in message news:qcNzc.727505$Pk3.346592@pd7tw1no... > There isn't a "radiator fan switch" on these cars, the fan is controlled by > the ECM based on the coolant temperature sensor, which tends to fail often > on some Saturns. Some cars have two sensors, one for the gauge and one for > the ECM. > > Also, when are you expecting it to turn on? It has to be pretty hot.. > > -- > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > To email, remove "nospam" from > Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/ > > > "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message > lkaboutautos.com... > > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > > > any Ideas? > > > > thanksm > > Fred > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 |
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It may be more accurate to say that on the older ones, the PCM reads a
separate coolant temp sensor and turns on the fan. The sensor doesn't really control the fan, as it's not wired to it directly. Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ] --- Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www57.pair.com/lane "Joe Biadasz" > wrote in message ... > Not untill 95 or 96 was the fan controlled by the ECM.. > > 91-94 is controlled by the coolant temp sensor on the side of the block. > About a 12 dollar part.. > > If you have a gauge the telp gauge should go up the 3/4 mark before the fan > turns on. > > > "Robert Hancock" > wrote in message > news:qcNzc.727505$Pk3.346592@pd7tw1no... > > There isn't a "radiator fan switch" on these cars, the fan is controlled > by > > the ECM based on the coolant temperature sensor, which tends to fail often > > on some Saturns. Some cars have two sensors, one for the gauge and one for > > the ECM. > > > > Also, when are you expecting it to turn on? It has to be pretty hot.. > > > > -- > > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > > To email, remove "nospam" from > > Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/ > > > > > > "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message > > lkaboutautos.com... > > > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > > > > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > > > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > > > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > > > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > > > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > > > > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > > > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > > > > > any Ideas? > > > > > > thanksm > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 > > > |
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Be careful also - you might need a new radiator fan motor.
The brushes in the motor wear out. As they get worn to the end of their travel, they become intermittent. Depending on when they decide to function and when they don't, this can make troubleshooting a real pain in the ass. Given the age of your car, I'd suggest replacing the radiator fan motor anyway to be sure. The fan motors ARE wear items! "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message lkaboutautos.com... > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > any Ideas? > > thanksm > Fred > |
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If the fan works, why replace the motor? the original post stated clearly
the fan worked when the A/C was on, but was not coming on by itself...or from a signal from the coolant temp sensor. I replace my CTS, but the car still heats up much more than before. I'm going to track down the wiring set-up next, to see if that's it. $21 CTS and the thing STILL doesn't work. It was an easy replacement, though. Took about 15 minutes. Barry in C'ville "Kirk Kohnen" > wrote in message ... > Be careful also - you might need a new radiator fan motor. > > The brushes in the motor wear out. As they get worn to the end of their > travel, they become intermittent. Depending on when they decide to function > and when they don't, this can make troubleshooting a real pain in the ass. > > Given the age of your car, I'd suggest replacing the radiator fan motor > anyway to be sure. > > The fan motors ARE wear items! > > "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message > lkaboutautos.com... > > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > > > any Ideas? > > > > thanksm > > Fred > > > > |
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I get nervise when the gauge reaches mid point.. I will let it go and see
if it turns on and 3/4.. mabey there is no problem at all, i just have never seen any car go past the mid piont with out any problems. Thank you, Fred Cpl/USMC |
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"Barry Schnoor" > wrote in message ... > If the fan works, why replace the motor? As I indicated below, as the fan motor starts to go out, it fails intermittently. I was pointing this out because it is something else to consider when troubleshooting this problem. I also pointed out that the fan motor is a wear item - that means that a fan motor that is working just fine isn't necessarily 100% good - it could be 99% bad. And, given the age of the car (a 94), it is quite likely that there isn't much life left in the fan motor anyway. So, if the original poster wants to eliminate the (possibly intermittent) motor as being a possibility of causing the problem, and if he wants to reset the clock on the fan motor back to zero (so to speak), then replacing the fan motor wouldn't be a bad idea at all. the original post stated clearly > the fan worked when the A/C was on, but was not coming on by itself...or > from a signal from the coolant temp sensor. > > I replace my CTS, but the car still heats up much more than before. I'm > going to track down the wiring set-up next, to see if that's it. $21 CTS > and the thing STILL doesn't work. It was an easy replacement, though. Took > about 15 minutes. > > Barry in C'ville > > "Kirk Kohnen" > wrote in message > ... > > Be careful also - you might need a new radiator fan motor. > > > > The brushes in the motor wear out. As they get worn to the end of their > > travel, they become intermittent. Depending on when they decide to > function > > and when they don't, this can make troubleshooting a real pain in the ass. > > > > Given the age of your car, I'd suggest replacing the radiator fan motor > > anyway to be sure. > > > > The fan motors ARE wear items! > > > > "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message > > lkaboutautos.com... > > > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > > > > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > > > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > > > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > > > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > > > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > > > > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > > > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > > > > > any Ideas? > > > > > > thanksm > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > |
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The fan's controlled by the ECM on all remotely recent GM cars - at some
point they did switch from having a separate sensor for the gauge/warning light to having that controlled by the ECM too, that's probably what you're referring to. -- Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada To email, remove "nospam" from Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/ "Joe Biadasz" > wrote in message ... > Not untill 95 or 96 was the fan controlled by the ECM.. > > 91-94 is controlled by the coolant temp sensor on the side of the block. > About a 12 dollar part.. > > If you have a gauge the telp gauge should go up the 3/4 mark before the fan > turns on. > > > "Robert Hancock" > wrote in message > news:qcNzc.727505$Pk3.346592@pd7tw1no... > > There isn't a "radiator fan switch" on these cars, the fan is controlled > by > > the ECM based on the coolant temperature sensor, which tends to fail often > > on some Saturns. Some cars have two sensors, one for the gauge and one for > > the ECM. > > > > Also, when are you expecting it to turn on? It has to be pretty hot.. > > > > -- > > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > > To email, remove "nospam" from > > Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/ > > > > > > "frederickiniguez" > wrote in message > > lkaboutautos.com... > > > my radiator fan will not turn on.. > > > > > > it works if I turn on the A/C.. I swaped out the relays too. I peplace > > > what i belived to be the radiator fan swith (from Dealer) and still did > > > not work.... if I bridge those two wire the fan wil turn on but i get a > > > temp light and a low collent light in the dash.. I am not sure whats > > > wrong and I am starting to think that the computer is messing up. > > > > > > I ended up placing a wire from ground to the relay in orders to activate > > > it with a swith inside the car if it gets warm. > > > > > > any Ideas? > > > > > > thanksm > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 > > > |
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