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2005 Saturn Preview
With the 2005 model year just around the corner, SaturnFans.com has
assembled a list of the rumored changes to each of Saturn's existing models. Look for a more complete - and official - list to be posted online as soon as it becomes available. http://www.saturnfans.com/Cars/Futur...npreview.shtml Enjoy, Charlie |
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Blah blah > wrote in
: > In article >, > says... > Anyone else hear about GM and Ford pulling together in developing an > 6- speed automatic transmission? GM spent 350 million and Ford spent > 375 million. > > Here is a story about the 6 speed joint venture from the industry website The Car Connection http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=175&n=156. The short story, it is basicly a new design GM transmission. Ford came in and provided engineering and prototyping facilities that were in short supply at GM at that time. The shipping products will be identical internally with each brand having its own case and electronic control modules. Joe |
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Hm, this would be a nice American alternative to the Aisin auto tranny
Saturn currently uses, right Blah Blah? It would also be nice to have the same crisp manual shifting in an ION that one gets from a mustang, that would make manual driving even more fun. marx404 |
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Did I misunderstand the posting about the 2005 Ion? Would they really do
away with a manual tranny? The way I took it was that they wouldn't offer 5 speed *automatic* trannies anymore [that was an option I was faced with when I bought my Ion - I went for the VTi and got the nifty notice, but the VTi has been great so far...] - but only a four speed automatic. (Strange to "downgrade' (if indeed it could even be considered that), but were there flaws in the 5 speed automatic?) |
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In article >,
Blah blah > wrote: > What the crap? GM and manual transmissions are getting more and more > rare every year. EPA. |
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Philip Nasadowski wrote:
>>What the crap? GM and manual transmissions are getting more and more >>rare every year. > > > EPA. As in, automatics burn less fuel/higher MPG? Or automatics are controlled by computer, so they're more easily manipulated to produce output and have gear ratios designed specfically to reduce emissions, torque and hp be damned? While automatics have done some serious catching up to manuals because of PCMs, etc the 5sp manuals are still listed with higher MPG than 4sp automatics. Antecdotally, I had to call Briggs/Stratton about a problem with my lawn mower engine and the rep explained how the EPA had put strict emissions requirments on their engine designs forcing them to give (take) control of the throttle position on the model I'd purchased over to a centrifical clutch - that they had set my engine to run at the proper (low) RPMs as to produce X amount of emissions. From a friggin push mower. What I felt like was that they (EPA) are more interested in attacking the little things which they can get to (my piddly lawnmower or an already relatively (H2 anyone?) fuel efficent saturn), than figuring out why the dumptruck in front of me on the road is spewing out thick black smoke which I can't see through. *sigh* |
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In article >,
richard hornsby > wrote: > Or automatics are > controlled by computer, so they're more easily manipulated to produce > output and have gear ratios designed specfically to reduce emissions, > torque and hp be damned? *ding* Oh yes, and now the TC locks up in the lower gears, same reason. > Antecdotally, I had to call Briggs/Stratton about a problem with my lawn > mower engine and the rep explained how the EPA had put strict emissions > requirments on their engine designs forcing them to give (take) control > of the throttle position on the model I'd purchased over to a > centrifical clutch - that they had set my engine to run at the proper > (low) RPMs as to produce X amount of emissions. Sounds about right. > From a friggin push mower. I'm waiting for a decent EFI that's cost effective for these things. It'd be a lot better in many ways. Oh yeah, I hear Cali is gona require cats on mowers. Surprisingly, lawn mower engines are actually quite dirty, far far more than cars. But, they should be able to be cleaned up a bit easier... *shrug* IMHO, it's the acient B&S design that's flathead and will run on anything flamable, than any inherent issue. Not so for Lawn Boy and that goddammed 2 stroke POS they use. But It's a POS anyway. > What I felt like was that they (EPA) are more interested in > attacking the little things which they can get to (my piddly lawnmower > or an already relatively (H2 anyone?) fuel efficent saturn), than > figuring out why the dumptruck in front of me on the road is spewing out > thick black smoke which I can't see through. Because enforcement of vehicle emissions issues after the sale is the state's problem. It's pre sale that it's the EPA's problem. Though I agree it's stupid anyway. AFAIK, there's also nothing that the EPA can do to force a state to enforce the emissions regulations, besides threatening to do bad things to highway funding, etc. But not much otherwise. Of course, the local cops arent paid to enforce some regulation written by a paper pusher in DC. Though in NY, they can smog larger trucks by the side of the road. I've not seen it done, though. The EPA also does what the enviros tell them to, so naturally cars are the big target, no matter what. |
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