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And that award won't even buy a bottle of Armor-All, will it? (Which I bet
is what caused the cracks in the 1st place!) "Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message n.umich.edu... > Gimme a break. Buy a cheaply-made piece of garbage like a Cadavalier and > then complain when it behaves like a cheaply-made piece of garbage? Only > the lawyers win in ass-claction lawsuits like this. The classmembers each > get a payout of $1.98. > > DS > > On Sat, 14 May 2005 wrote: > >> For anyone with a late-model Chevy Cavalier with the front part of the >> dash crack, there is a guy trying to put together a class-action suit >> with a lawyer to get Chevy to replace this defective part at no charge. >> So far, he has had 136 people sign up. If you are interested, the >> details are below. >> >> Slotman >> >> "For all late model Chevrolet Cavalier car owners who have had their >> front part of their dash crack. This part of the dash is known as the >> "Lower Trim Panel" and is over $750.00 to replace from the dealer. I >> have created a site http://www.xydon.com/apps/cavalier/ to record the >> number of people who have had this happen to them as well. >> >> I feel this is a manufacturer defect and Chevrolet to flip the bill for >> replacement. I have tried to negotiate with Chevrolet to replace my >> dash and the *******s told me "Go ahead and pay out of pocket for the >> repairs and then submit your receipt for possible consideration for >> reimbursement." This outraged me as I know this is a manufacturer >> defect. Join together and enter your information to this cavalier >> database. I will then after a few months of solicitation notify you of >> the status. >> >> I intend to obtain a lawyer and go toe to toe with Chevy for all of >> you. No money will be asked of you, just that you provide ligitimate >> information. Hopefully I can get Chevy to do a recall on this and get >> YOUR cracked dashes replaced, as well as mine." >> >> |
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"James C. Reeves" > wrote in message ... > And that award won't even buy a bottle of Armor-All, will it? (Which I bet > is what caused the cracks in the 1st place!) > Why would Armor All do that? Anybody wants to see what a car looks like without ever having used Armor All? It's for damn sure not "just like new". I'm friggin' tired of the Armor All mythsinformation floating around. From the talk of some idiots, you would think Saddam Hussein had a plant in Iraq churning out the stuff for Osama bin Laden. |
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"Magnulus" > wrote in message . .. > I'm friggin' tired of the Armor All mythsinformation floating around. > From the talk of some idiots, you would think Saddam Hussein had a plant in > Iraq churning out the stuff for Osama bin Laden. I'm with you on this one, Magnulus. Lots of people claim this, but I have never personally had a problem with Armor All. I have used it on rare occasion, but not regularly. |
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> wrote in message . .. > I'm with you on this one, Magnulus. Lots of people claim this, but I have > never personally > had a problem with Armor All. I have used it on rare occasion, but not > regularly. I use it about once a month in the summer, and I've never noticed any problems, though the cars weren't that old. I've got a 3 year old Logitech Momo PC racing wheel that likewise gets some Armor All once in a while, and it looks as good as new. I had to fix a broken shifer using some epoxy- but Armor All didn't cause that. My mom was all in a huff because a Ford "mechanic" told her that Armor All sits on top of the dashbboard, heats up and "bakes" the plastic. I find that hard to believe that Armor All would make vinyl hotter than it otherwise would be, and since this guy does not have a degree in chemistry, I take it with a big grain of salt. Alot of folks also go nuts because Armor All contains silicone- but if that's the case they should never use a car wax again, because almost all car waxes have some kind of silicone-based sealers. You've never heard folks say "Don't use Turtle Wax because it bakes the paint", have you? Case closed. |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 10:20:53 -0400, "Magnulus"
> wrote: > >"James C. Reeves" > wrote in message ... >> And that award won't even buy a bottle of Armor-All, will it? (Which I >bet >> is what caused the cracks in the 1st place!) >> > > Why would Armor All do that? > > Anybody wants to see what a car looks like without ever having used Armor >All? It's for damn sure not "just like new". > > I'm friggin' tired of the Armor All mythsinformation floating around. >From the talk of some idiots, you would think Saddam Hussein had a plant in >Iraq churning out the stuff for Osama bin Laden. > I've had two vehicles where the dashboard promptly cracked right after using armourall. Here's some more info... From Sun May 14 12:28:21 2000 Xref: news.primenet.com rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang:327594 patrick wrote: >I've been searching usenet since I initially posted and their is a >significant group of people who believe the product causes the >dash to become 'addicted' to it, and that it will dry and crack if >not used anymore. OK, if you want a detailed chemical explanation, here goes. Soft vinyl plastics (as opposed to things like PVC pipe) contain a large amount of plasticizers. The one that is almost universally used is dioctyl phthalate. It is a relatively high molecular weight, water insoluble, nontoxic compound. Over the course of time, the plasticizer will vaporize and leach out of the vinyl causing it to become stiff and brittle, which is when it cracks. ArmorAll is an emulsion of dibutyl phthalate in water. Dibutyl phthalate has a lower molecular weight than the dioctyl phthalate in the factory soft vinyl. While it will plump up and soften the plastic (good) the lower molecular weight means that it is more volatile and more water soluble. Therefore it will be lost more quickly to the environment via vaporization and leaching. A nasty side effect is that it will take the original plasticizer with it as it is lost. What this means to the end user is that if you start using ArmorAll you had better continue to do so, or your vinyl will degrade much faster than if you had done nothing. >This has caused me to decide not to use it and instead maybe get >the maximum tint legally allowed on my windows to block UV rays >and get some of those folding cardboard thingys to put in the >windshield and rear window to block sunlight. Ordinary glass blocks UV anyway. Ever try to get a suntan through your windshield? Doesn't work. That is not to say that maximum tint is a bad idea. UV damage is not the only light-related way to destroy plastics. Your plan is a good one. -- Andy Williams - real address andywlms at ct2 dot nai dot net |
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"Ashton Crusher" > wrote in message ... >While it will > plump up and soften the plastic (good) the lower molecular > weight means that it is more volatile and more water soluble. > Therefore it will be lost more quickly to the environment > via vaporization and leaching. A nasty side effect is that > it will take the original plasticizer with it as it is lost. > Even if it were true (carrying away the original plasticizer), the dashboard will eventually lose most of the original plasticizer anyways. So the dashboard will eventually crack even if you don't use Armor All. Armor All specificly states that their product has to be re-applied about once a month or so, just as car wax has to be re-applied every so often to be effective. Similar products (Black Magic, etc.) work in a similar fashion. The only downside I see is that almost all of them have some level of shine or gloss, even the ones that are "low gloss". |
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"Magnulus" > wrote in message ... > > "Ashton Crusher" > wrote in message > ... >>While it will >> plump up and soften the plastic (good) the lower molecular >> weight means that it is more volatile and more water soluble. >> Therefore it will be lost more quickly to the environment >> via vaporization and leaching. A nasty side effect is that >> it will take the original plasticizer with it as it is lost. >> > > Even if it were true (carrying away the original plasticizer), the > dashboard will eventually lose most of the original plasticizer anyways. > So > the dashboard will eventually crack even if you don't use Armor All. > > Armor All specificly states that their product has to be re-applied about > once a month or so, just as car wax has to be re-applied every so often to > be effective. Similar products (Black Magic, etc.) work in a similar > fashion. The only downside I see is that almost all of them have some > level of shine or gloss, even the ones that are "low gloss". > > The gloss makes for a nasty reflection on the windshield during bright sunny days..which reduces visibility. My dashes seem to last much longer without Armor-all. The dash on my 1997 Caravan still looks new and has never had a drop of armor-all on it. Only plain warm water (no soap). |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:20:34 -0400, "Magnulus"
> wrote: > > Even if it were true (carrying away the original plasticizer), the >dashboard will eventually lose most of the original plasticizer anyways. So >the dashboard will eventually crack even if you don't use Armor All. But it seems that if armor-all isn't applied monthly, it will crack faster than if it is never applied at all. The environment you're in might make a difference as to how significant the process described in the earlier post will be. Out in the desert, I expect it would be greater, but so is risk of cracking without armor-all. I guess it is anyway. Lots of people out here have carpet on their dashboard, but that's kind of tacky I think. If mine cracks, I guess I'll get the carpet like everyone else does though. |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote: > Gimme a break. Buy a cheaply-made piece of garbage like a Cadavalier and > then complain when it behaves like a cheaply-made piece of garbage? Only > the lawyers win in ass-claction lawsuits like this. The classmembers each > get a payout of $1.98. > > DS > > On Sat, 14 May 2005 wrote: > > > For anyone with a late-model Chevy Cavalier with the front part of the > > dash crack, there is a guy trying to put together a class-action suit > > with a lawyer to get Chevy to replace this defective part at no charge. > > So far, he has had 136 people sign up. If you are interested, the > > details are below. > > > > I intend to obtain a lawyer and go toe to toe with Chevy for all of > > you. No money will be asked of you, just that you provide ligitimate > > information. Hopefully I can get Chevy to do a recall on this and get > > YOUR cracked dashes replaced, as well as mine." Unfortunately, there's probably some stupid, mouth-breathin' Cavalier-drivin' lawyer out there dumb enough to take this on. Hey, maybe *I* can get a replacement dashboard, too! -- C.R. Krieger '88 BMW 535is w/cracked dashboard ("They all do that.") |
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