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New, out-of-state, registration fees??
Please help!
I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). Does anyone know if this is true or if there is a way to get around having to pay the full taxes? I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price really low. But how does the DMV check on these things? Thanks! |
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rides_twins wrote:
> Please help! > > I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I > won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay > the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). > Does anyone know if this is true Yes, it is. > or if there is a way to get around having to pay the full taxes? Well, there's outright fraud ... > I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price > really low. But how does the DMV check on these things? Some don't. They'll just assess you tax on the 'book' value or the stated amount, whichever is greater. Others will inquire if the deal looks 'fishy' to them. So then, you're looking at bank inquiries as well as some additional outright fraud by both you and the seller (IOW, you'll both have to do a little more lying to get out of it - and have the bank records to support your lies.). Any dealership that would do this is even dumber than you are for wanting to try it. If you get caught, it's a theft offense. If it is a second theft offense, in most states, it's also a felony. Even if it's only your first, a conviction *must* be disclosed for future employment (unless you want to try for *more* fraud). How many employers, given the choice, will hire a known thief? You would be flatly prohibited by law from employment or licensure in many fields. Considering all the potential penalties, it's not really worth the bother and the few bucks you might save. Consider, too, what happens if you 'total' the car soon after purchase. Do you think an insurance company is going to pay you the *book* value or the actual stated *purchase price* that shows up in the state records? See? There's more than one way to screw a moron. -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; won't do that) |
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rides_twins wrote:
> Please help! > > I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I > won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay > the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). > Does anyone know if this is true Yes, it is. > or if there is a way to get around having to pay the full taxes? Well, there's outright fraud ... > I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price > really low. But how does the DMV check on these things? Some don't. They'll just assess you tax on the 'book' value or the stated amount, whichever is greater. Others will inquire if the deal looks 'fishy' to them. So then, you're looking at bank inquiries as well as some additional outright fraud by both you and the seller (IOW, you'll both have to do a little more lying to get out of it - and have the bank records to support your lies.). Any dealership that would do this is even dumber than you are for wanting to try it. If you get caught, it's a theft offense. If it is a second theft offense, in most states, it's also a felony. Even if it's only your first, a conviction *must* be disclosed for future employment (unless you want to try for *more* fraud). How many employers, given the choice, will hire a known thief? You would be flatly prohibited by law from employment or licensure in many fields. Considering all the potential penalties, it's not really worth the bother and the few bucks you might save. Consider, too, what happens if you 'total' the car soon after purchase. Do you think an insurance company is going to pay you the *book* value or the actual stated *purchase price* that shows up in the state records? See? There's more than one way to screw a moron. -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; won't do that) |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote:
> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I > won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay > the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). That's the least of your worries. California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as complying with California emission standards. Rest-of-the-US standards alone don't qualify. If the underhood Vehicle Emission Control Information label does not specifically say that the vehicle meets California standards, you won't be allowed to register it. If you try, you're likely to get the vehicle's VIN blacklisted so that you can *never* register it in CA. CADMV is a law unto itself. |
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In article ch.edu>,
Daniel J. Stern > wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote: > >> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I >> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay >> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). > >That's the least of your worries. > >California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be >registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as >complying with California emission standards. You could roll the odometer forward... |
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In article ch.edu>,
Daniel J. Stern > wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote: > >> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I >> won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay >> the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). > >That's the least of your worries. > >California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be >registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as >complying with California emission standards. You could roll the odometer forward... |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, rides_twins wrote:
> I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I > won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay > the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). That's the least of your worries. California does not allow new (= under 7500 miles) vehicles to be registered in California *unless* the vehicle is manufacturer-certified as complying with California emission standards. Rest-of-the-US standards alone don't qualify. If the underhood Vehicle Emission Control Information label does not specifically say that the vehicle meets California standards, you won't be allowed to register it. If you try, you're likely to get the vehicle's VIN blacklisted so that you can *never* register it in CA. CADMV is a law unto itself. |
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>I wanted to buy a "new" vehicle from a dealer out of state because I
>won't have to pay sales tax. But I was told that I would have to pay >the tax once I register the vehicle in my home state (CA - California). >Does anyone know if this is true or if there is a way to get around >having to pay the full taxes? > >I know when you buy used, a lot of people just write the purchase price >really low. But how does the DMV check on these things? You need to check with the DMV. Here's some basic information. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/osreg.htm#BM2561 The biggest problem will be making sure that the car can be sold in California -- meets smog requirements. More on that at the link above. http://www.madmousergraphics.com web design, print design, photography |
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Thanks for all the input everyone.
You know, I noticed that registration in CA means that vehicle value is NOT calculated automatically. You have to specify the vehicle value. Regardless, if I want to do this the "right" way, couldn't I also just pay the tax in the state where I am purchasing it? I also read another thread where someone said if the vehicle is "brought-in" after 90-days you are not subject to tax in CA. Is this still true? How do they determine when it was broght in? Maybe I should ask the dealer to hold onto it for 90 days first? More thoughts? Thanks! |
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On 14 Jan 2005 13:33:08 -0800, "rides_twins"
> wrote: >Thanks for all the input everyone. > >You know, I noticed that registration in CA means that vehicle value is >NOT calculated automatically. You have to specify the vehicle value. > >Regardless, if I want to do this the "right" way, couldn't I also just >pay the tax in the state where I am purchasing it? > >I also read another thread where someone said if the vehicle is >"brought-in" after 90-days you are not subject to tax in CA. Is this >still true? How do they determine when it was broght in? Maybe I >should ask the dealer to hold onto it for 90 days first? >More thoughts? > Pay your friggin' taxes >Thanks! |
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