wrangler diesel coming soon?

It stunk, that's God's way of telling us it bad for our bodies.
I've spent thousands of nights at trucks stops, I don't need that crap
at home.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

wrote:
>
> Yeah...what did it do to you?

Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.

They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
penis like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
thinking, "Where are the fries?"

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> It stunk, that's God's way of telling us it bad for our bodies.
> I've spent thousands of nights at trucks stops, I don't need that crap
> at home.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah...what did it do to you?

Hi Earle,
As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
>
> They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> penis like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> thinking, "Where are the fries?"
>
> Earle

Bill,

I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
up any day now with an unneeded "fix".

Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
to make it impossible to even own those things.

I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five
dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of
more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with
MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and
most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of
them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > penis like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it
yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle

Agreed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
> the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
> describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
> constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
> mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
> is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
> in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
> law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
> advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
> has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
> that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
> up any day now with an unneeded "fix".
>
> Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
> January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
> pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
> morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
> work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
> to make it impossible to even own those things.
>
> I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
> converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
> and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
> plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.
>
> Earle

Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
left coast "problem".

We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
everything but roads.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) Hughes III
> wrote:

> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > penis like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle


--
Will Honea

Hi Will,
Some how your post reminds me of this joke:

1850--a year in History
California became a state.
The state had no electricity.
The state had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So basically, it was just like California today,
except the women had real boobs

--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
> builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
> potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
> left coast "problem".
>
> We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
> show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
> and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
> everything but roads.
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) Hughes III
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi Earle,
> > As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> > fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> > jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> > eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> > usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> > driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> > bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> > refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> > pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> > price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> > Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> > Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> > cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> > exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> > watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> > their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> > bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> > God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> > http://www.billhughes.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> > >
> > > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > > penis like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> > >
> > > Earle
>
> --
> Will Honea

The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
is bull****, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel penis
extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
(and VM Libtys).

If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.

And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
after they start.

Are you saying passenger car diesels didn't have any effect on
supply and demand????????????
Our govornment does subsidize the railroads, but there are NO
subsidizes for independent owner operator truckers, I'd drag out my
prophet and lost statement to show you just how many taxes I paid, taxes
on taxes and for each state I operated, but ten cent an hour is just too
embarrassing.
Once again, you proved you know another about business, or anthing
else as far as you've posted to this group!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

wrote:
>
> The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
> is bull****, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
> percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
> diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
> and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel penis
> extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
> (and VM Libtys).
>
> If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
> first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
> subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
> pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
> freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
> tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
> college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
> NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.
>
> And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
> the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
> wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
> after they start.

Well, you are partially right, trucks DO pay a lot of taxes, which is
the good, or bad, news. The worse news is that they do MOST of the
vehicle induced damage to the Interstate highway system and contribute,
at most, about twenty percent of the amount going to maintain them.

The freight rates are in the toilet because of the huge number of OOs
who are terrible business people and will in effect haul for free
because they won't retire or find other employment. They buy all of the
three year old trucks from the big truckload carriers-you think they
LIKE baby blue, beige or orange??-at prices that let them own trucks
for free, and they keep hauling for next to nothing to pay the
insurance and truck payment.

Here's my idea: put a federal excise tax on truckload freight , and
put out of service all the morbidly obese, functionally illiterate, or
rotten-toothed (did you know it can cause heart attacks and is
therefore a safety issue??) drivers, OOs or company drivers alike. And
require Class 8 truck companies to price their trucks the same to all
buyers buying above three trucks. And require APU's on all tractors
with sleepers unless the operator can prove they only stop at places
with shore power and make every state outlaw idling like New York.
Freight rates will go up, I guarantee.