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  #51  
Old June 15th 05, 09:46 PM
Dave Lister
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(Matthew Russotto) wrote in
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> In article > ,
> Dave Lister > wrote:
>>
>>Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?
>>
>>What part of "imprisonment without trial" is eluding your large ego and
>>tiny mind?

>
> Imprisonment without trial is customary practice in war. In fact,
> trials of prisoners of war are typically (but not always) against
> various international conventions.
>
> The Bush administration is doing plenty wrong w.r.t the Guantanemo
> prisoners, but holding them without trial isn't precisely one of them.


We aren't at war with them, or did that elude you? If they aren't POWs,
which is what Bush claims, then they should get a trial or get let go.

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  #52  
Old June 15th 05, 11:51 PM
Dave Head
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:34:40 GMT, Dave Lister >
wrote:

>"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in
in.umich.edu:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Dan J.S. wrote:
>>
>>> > Why don't you take your moral relativism and shove them right up your
>>> > reactionary ass? Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick. Guantanamo:
>>> > The Gulag of Our Time

>>
>>> You do not even know what Gulag is, or what socialism can lead to.

>>
>> And neither of you is able to conceive of the concept of "grey".

>
>There isn't anything gray about three years in a camp without a trial.


Trials are for criminals. These are enemy combatants that, due to their not
wearing uniforms, don't even meet the Geneva Convention definition of
"soldier". IOW, anything they get short of of death is a gift on our part.

Get over it. They'll be released when the war is over. So what if that is 100
years in the future? The terrorists should give up for the sake of their
captured bretheren, and cease hostilities so we can all go about our daily
lives, including the detainees.

Its up to the terrorists, really.

Dave Head

  #53  
Old June 15th 05, 11:56 PM
Dave Head
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:46:58 GMT, Dave Lister >
wrote:

(Matthew Russotto) wrote in
:
>
>> In article > ,
>> Dave Lister > wrote:
>>>
>>>Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?
>>>
>>>What part of "imprisonment without trial" is eluding your large ego and
>>>tiny mind?

>>
>> Imprisonment without trial is customary practice in war. In fact,
>> trials of prisoners of war are typically (but not always) against
>> various international conventions.
>>
>> The Bush administration is doing plenty wrong w.r.t the Guantanemo
>> prisoners, but holding them without trial isn't precisely one of them.

>
>We aren't at war with them, or did that elude you?


Yes we are.

> If they aren't POWs,


They're not, due to their refusal to conduct their campiagn by the rules of war
- ie, wearing uniforms.

>which is what Bush claims, then they should get a trial or get let go.


We don't put enemy combatants on trial - they are enemy combatants which is all
that is needed to justify holding them. When the war is over, we'll let 'em
go. Hell, their side doesn't even _take_ prisoners - they just kill all those
they can capture, beheading them on television.

Dave Head

  #54  
Old June 16th 05, 12:41 AM
223rem
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Dave Lister wrote:


> Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?


Dont be a literally minded fool. The Muslim fundamentalists are coming,
actually. Today Europe, tomorrow America. Limp wristed liberals
like you are their useful idiots (to quote Lenin).
  #55  
Old June 16th 05, 12:46 AM
Dave Lister
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Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:34:40 GMT, Dave Lister
> > wrote:
>
>>"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in
gin.umich.edu:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Why don't you take your moral relativism and shove them right up
>>>> > your reactionary ass? Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick.
>>>> > Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
>>>
>>>> You do not even know what Gulag is, or what socialism can lead to.
>>>
>>> And neither of you is able to conceive of the concept of "grey".

>>
>>There isn't anything gray about three years in a camp without a trial.

>
> Trials are for criminals. These are enemy combatants that, due to
> their not wearing uniforms, don't even meet the Geneva Convention
> definition of "soldier". IOW, anything they get short of of death is
> a gift on our part.


Ah, yes, the "'Merican Way".

> Get over it. They'll be released when the war is over. So what if
> that is 100 years in the future? The terrorists should give up for
> the sake of their captured bretheren, and cease hostilities so we can
> all go about our daily lives, including the detainees.


Which ones are "enemy combatants", loon?

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  #56  
Old June 16th 05, 12:48 AM
Dave Lister
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Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:46:58 GMT, Dave Lister
> > wrote:
>
(Matthew Russotto) wrote in
:
>>
>>> In article > ,
>>> Dave Lister > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?
>>>>
>>>>What part of "imprisonment without trial" is eluding your large ego
>>>>and tiny mind?
>>>
>>> Imprisonment without trial is customary practice in war. In fact,
>>> trials of prisoners of war are typically (but not always) against
>>> various international conventions.
>>>
>>> The Bush administration is doing plenty wrong w.r.t the Guantanemo
>>> prisoners, but holding them without trial isn't precisely one of
>>> them.

>>
>>We aren't at war with them, or did that elude you?

>
> Yes we are.


No, loon, we are not.

>> If they aren't POWs,

>
> They're not, due to their refusal to conduct their campiagn by the
> rules of war - ie, wearing uniforms.


That's a load of crap. The US had people in the field not wearing
uniforms as well. We attacked them, I'm sure they are sorry they didn't
rush to Walmart to buy uniforms to fight us.

>>which is what Bush claims, then they should get a trial or get let go.

>
> We don't put enemy combatants on trial - they are enemy combatants
> which is all that is needed to justify holding them. When the war is
> over, we'll let 'em go. Hell, their side doesn't even _take_
> prisoners - they just kill all those they can capture, beheading them
> on television.


Which ones are "enemy combatants", loon?

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Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time

  #57  
Old June 16th 05, 12:51 AM
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223rem > wrote in news:G03se.3926$on5.2530
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:

> Dave Lister wrote:
>
>
>> Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?

>
> Dont be a literally minded fool. The Muslim fundamentalists are coming,
> actually. Today Europe, tomorrow America. Limp wristed liberals
> like you are their useful idiots (to quote Lenin).


You are an idiot. Your thinking is the same kind that got us into crap like
Vietnam, but you be a good reactionary doofus and rally the troops against
the Commie er Muslim hoard.

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Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time

  #58  
Old June 16th 05, 12:59 AM
223rem
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Dave Lister wrote:
> 223rem > wrote in news:G03se.3926$on5.2530
> @newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:
>
>
>>Dave Lister wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?

>>
>>Dont be a literally minded fool. The Muslim fundamentalists are coming,
>>actually. Today Europe, tomorrow America. Limp wristed liberals
>>like you are their useful idiots (to quote Lenin).

>
>
> You are an idiot. Your thinking is the same kind that got us into crap like
> Vietnam, but you be a good reactionary doofus and rally the troops against
> the Commie er Muslim hoard.
>


The Muslim fundamentalists are a much more insidious, and much less
honorable enemy than the Soviets ever were.

They use our democratic institutions and naive people like yourself against
us. But the funny thing is that they have the utmost contempt for your
kind--dont expect them to be grateful to you, they view you as weak
and foolish. They'd cut off your head in no time, regardless
of your liberal, 'enlightened' credentials.
  #59  
Old June 16th 05, 01:04 AM
Dave Lister
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223rem > wrote in
m:

> Dave Lister wrote:
>> 223rem > wrote in news:G03se.3926$on5.2530
>> @newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>
>>>Dave Lister wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yawn. Is that the best you can do loon, "the commies are coming!"?
>>>
>>>Dont be a literally minded fool. The Muslim fundamentalists are
>>>coming, actually. Today Europe, tomorrow America. Limp wristed
>>>liberals like you are their useful idiots (to quote Lenin).

>>
>>
>> You are an idiot. Your thinking is the same kind that got us into
>> crap like Vietnam, but you be a good reactionary doofus and rally the
>> troops against the Commie er Muslim hoard.

>
> The Muslim fundamentalists are a much more insidious, and much less
> honorable enemy than the Soviets ever were.


Does your shrink know you quit your meds, loon?

> They use our democratic institutions and naive people like yourself
> against us. But the funny thing is that they have the utmost contempt
> for your kind--dont expect them to be grateful to you, they view you
> as weak and foolish. They'd cut off your head in no time, regardless
> of your liberal, 'enlightened' credentials.


People like you will use any excuse to destroy the ethics that the US
was founded upon.

There is a reason they are in Gitmo: they know that what they are doing
would not be tolerated anywhere else.

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  #60  
Old June 16th 05, 01:21 AM
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"Dave Lister" > wrote in message
. 6...
> Which ones are "enemy combatants", loon?
>


The ones they picked up on the battle field shooting at us...which are most
of the ones there (about 500 people, I read).

Why the name calling, anyway? And what does any of this have to do with
driving?



 




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