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Old May 4th 06, 03:01 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics
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I've always heard that ethanol cuts gas mileage in all cars and
wondered if the effect is more pronounced in older vehicles. I've
been using gas that is 10% ethanol the last month in my 20 year old
beater and it really seemed to hurt a lot.
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Old May 4th 06, 03:24 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics
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Old May 4th 06, 03:37 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

> I've always heard that ethanol cuts gas mileage in all cars and
> wondered if the effect is more pronounced in older vehicles. I've
> been using gas that is 10% ethanol the last month in my 20 year old
> beater and it really seemed to hurt a lot.


10% ethanol shouldn't make much difference.

Graham


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Old May 4th 06, 05:35 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics
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Pooh Bear wrote:
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> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>
> > I've always heard that ethanol cuts gas mileage in all cars and
> > wondered if the effect is more pronounced in older vehicles. I've
> > been using gas that is 10% ethanol the last month in my 20 year old
> > beater and it really seemed to hurt a lot.

>
> 10% ethanol shouldn't make much difference.
>

Why do you say that? There is less energy in the Eth and some vehicles
just don't run right with it.


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to alternative energy sources while simultaneously insisting that the
sorts of prices for energy that are needed to motivate those changes
must not happen. There is simply a manifold disconnect on the left
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Old May 4th 06, 05:56 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics
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"Bill Bonde ('The path is clear, though no eyes can see')" wrote:

> Pooh Bear wrote:
> >
> > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> >
> > > I've always heard that ethanol cuts gas mileage in all cars and
> > > wondered if the effect is more pronounced in older vehicles. I've
> > > been using gas that is 10% ethanol the last month in my 20 year old
> > > beater and it really seemed to hurt a lot.

> >
> > 10% ethanol shouldn't make much difference.

>
> Why do you say that? There is less energy in the Eth


about 20% less. 10% x 20% is 2% ( i.e. not much )

> and some vehicles just don't run right with it.


Relatively unusual. Loco Laura's beater might be old enough to have trouble of
course.

Graham

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> Pooh Bear:
> Relatively unusual. Loco Laura's beater might be old enough to have trouble of
> course.


Loco Laura's beater has enough problems even before factoring in the
ethanol. The biggest problem, of course, is in the driver's seat...

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Old May 4th 06, 03:21 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics
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Bill Bonde ('The path is clear, though no eyes can see') wrote:
> It isn't folks on the right who are complaining that we aren't switching
> to alternative energy sources while simultaneously insisting that the
> sorts of prices for energy that are needed to motivate those changes
> must not happen. There is simply a manifold disconnect on the left
> between their reality and their rhetoric.


That's true. High gas prices open people's eyes.

On the other hand, it sure isn't folks on the left who are saying that
the supply of cheap oil is endless & infinite, that the definition of a
"friendly" Arab is one who sells us that cheap oil (regardless of any
of their other less endearing traits *cough*BANDAR!*cough*), that
conservation of resources is a socialist plot, and that every American
should be able to decide for themselves exactly how much they can
destroy the environment & threaten national security.

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Old May 4th 06, 04:00 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> I've always heard that ethanol cuts gas mileage in all cars and
> wondered if the effect is more pronounced in older vehicles. I've
> been using gas that is 10% ethanol the last month in my 20 year old
> beater and it really seemed to hurt a lot.


If your veeehicle is old enough to not have a closed-loop mixture
control system, it'll run lean on gasohol (10% ethanol).

A 1986 car might technically be closed-loop, but unless its
fuel-injected, probably can't compensate enough.

A newer car will see a small reduction in mileage.

Dave

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Darryl wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde ('The path is clear, though no eyes can see') wrote:
> > It isn't folks on the right who are complaining that we aren't switching
> > to alternative energy sources while simultaneously insisting that the
> > sorts of prices for energy that are needed to motivate those changes
> > must not happen. There is simply a manifold disconnect on the left
> > between their reality and their rhetoric.

>
> That's true. High gas prices open people's eyes.
>
> On the other hand, it sure isn't folks on the left who are saying that
> the supply of cheap oil is endless & infinite,
>

I haven't heard anyone say that.


> that the definition of a
> "friendly" Arab is one who sells us that cheap oil (regardless of any
> of their other less endearing traits *cough*BANDAR!*cough*), that
> conservation of resources is a socialist plot,
>

Conservation is not the solution to the energy problem. That's what you
get told but you refuse to understand it. You can't conserve your way
out of this.


> and that every American
> should be able to decide for themselves exactly how much they can
> destroy the environment & threaten national security.
>

You are free to walk and bike all you want.


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to alternative energy sources while simultaneously insisting that the
sorts of prices for energy that are needed to motivate those changes
must not happen. There is simply a manifold disconnect on the left
between their reality and their rhetoric.

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