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Were Chrysler Voyagers ever sold in the UK (earlier models)?



 
 
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Old January 28th 05, 11:08 PM
Bas
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Default Were Chrysler Voyagers ever sold in the UK (earlier models)?

Hi,

I am planning on settling in the UK later in the year (moving from Holland)
and am thinking of taking a 1995 Chrysler Voyager (2.5 td) with me. I
haven't seen them for sale on the autotrader.co.uk site (only the later
models) so I'm wondering if I could get replacement parts for the car once
I'm in the UK (apart from importing parts of course). I would also need
UK-spec headlamps for it (for driving on the left-hand side of the road) and
they will of course be impossible to find if the '95 Voyagers weren't built
to UK specs (I do hope I'm wrong).

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers,

Bas


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Old January 29th 05, 12:04 AM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, it was written:

> I am planning on settling in the UK later in the year (moving from
> Holland) and am thinking of taking a 1995 Chrysler Voyager (2.5 td) with
> me. I haven't seen them for sale on the autotrader.co.uk site (only the
> later models) so I'm wondering if I could get replacement parts for the
> car once I'm in the UK (apart from importing parts of course). I would
> also need UK-spec headlamps for it (for driving on the left-hand side of
> the road) and they will of course be impossible to find if the '95
> Voyagers weren't built to UK specs (I do hope I'm wrong).


Nope, you're right -- there were no pre-'96 ECE-RHD Chrysler minivans
sold, and UK-spec headlamps do not exist for them. The powertrain is
pretty much the same on the turbodiesel 2.5s early/late, so that won't
make much of a problem, but the headlamps will trip you up; MoT no longer
accepts headlamp masking tape strips as legal for permanent registration,
it's only legal for tourists. You could exploit a loophole in MoT's SVA
regulations and install the US-model headlamps, which are considered
acceptable as "neutral-dip" 'cos they don't have a beam upsweep on either
side.

Contact me for more information, www.danielsternlighting.com

-DS
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Old January 29th 05, 12:06 AM
David
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I don't see a problem, with getting parts, as they will be supplied from the
parts depot from Graz, or UK. What is the difference with the headlights? I
don't understand why they would be different for driving on the other side
of the road.
"Bas" <basoost at lycos dot co dot uk> wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> I am planning on settling in the UK later in the year (moving from
> Holland)
> and am thinking of taking a 1995 Chrysler Voyager (2.5 td) with me. I
> haven't seen them for sale on the autotrader.co.uk site (only the later
> models) so I'm wondering if I could get replacement parts for the car once
> I'm in the UK (apart from importing parts of course). I would also need
> UK-spec headlamps for it (for driving on the left-hand side of the road)
> and
> they will of course be impossible to find if the '95 Voyagers weren't
> built
> to UK specs (I do hope I'm wrong).
>
> Many thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bas
>
>



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Old January 29th 05, 06:15 AM
KaWallski
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If you pull your car up to a wall, turn on your lowbeams and watch, the
difference in the shape that the headlights will project onto the wall is
that the standard low beam is a flat line with a higher illumination to the
right side, that is where the signs would be in North America and to the
left hand side for UK.

____---'''''

vs

''''---____

....SO...

in UK all headlights reflectors (not the lenses or bulbs) would be designed
to work in opposite ( mirror image of North America) so that the higher
point will be to the left, not the right hand side, to illuminate the road
signs.

For UK and Aus. the cars oncoming would be directly looking into the
brighter portion of your lights if you used North American refelctors.






"David" > wrote in message
news:MzzKd.9608$rv.326@fed1read03...
> I don't see a problem, with getting parts, as they will be supplied from

the
> parts depot from Graz, or UK. What is the difference with the headlights?

I
> don't understand why they would be different for driving on the other side
> of the road.
> "Bas" <basoost at lycos dot co dot uk> wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am planning on settling in the UK later in the year (moving from
> > Holland)
> > and am thinking of taking a 1995 Chrysler Voyager (2.5 td) with me. I
> > haven't seen them for sale on the autotrader.co.uk site (only the later
> > models) so I'm wondering if I could get replacement parts for the car

once
> > I'm in the UK (apart from importing parts of course). I would also need
> > UK-spec headlamps for it (for driving on the left-hand side of the road)
> > and
> > they will of course be impossible to find if the '95 Voyagers weren't
> > built
> > to UK specs (I do hope I'm wrong).
> >
> > Many thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bas
> >
> >

>
>



  #5  
Old January 29th 05, 01:13 PM
Dori A Schmetterling
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Not to mention Japan, southern Africa, Indian Subcontinent, and many more
parts of the world :-)

DAS

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"KaWallski" > wrote in message
...
[...]
> For UK and Aus. the cars oncoming would be directly looking into the
> brighter portion of your lights if you used North American refelctors.

[...]


  #6  
Old January 29th 05, 05:43 PM
Bas
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Thanks everyone for your comments and advise, thankfully I hadn't yet bought
one (had my eye on a '95 td model) and am now looking for a >96 model. Apart
from new headlamp units will also need to get a replacement speedo-dial
which includes mph scales. Funnily enough the <96 models already have mph on
the speedo but this has been abolished in the later models.

Any other tips on where to look out for with these cars (apart from the
obvious service history and timing chain etc.). What's would be more
reliable: a diesel or LPG car?

Cheers,

Bas

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, it was written:
>
> > I am planning on settling in the UK later in the year (moving from
> > Holland) and am thinking of taking a 1995 Chrysler Voyager (2.5 td) with
> > me. I haven't seen them for sale on the autotrader.co.uk site (only the
> > later models) so I'm wondering if I could get replacement parts for the
> > car once I'm in the UK (apart from importing parts of course). I would
> > also need UK-spec headlamps for it (for driving on the left-hand side of
> > the road) and they will of course be impossible to find if the '95
> > Voyagers weren't built to UK specs (I do hope I'm wrong).

>
> Nope, you're right -- there were no pre-'96 ECE-RHD Chrysler minivans
> sold, and UK-spec headlamps do not exist for them. The powertrain is
> pretty much the same on the turbodiesel 2.5s early/late, so that won't
> make much of a problem, but the headlamps will trip you up; MoT no longer
> accepts headlamp masking tape strips as legal for permanent registration,
> it's only legal for tourists. You could exploit a loophole in MoT's SVA
> regulations and install the US-model headlamps, which are considered
> acceptable as "neutral-dip" 'cos they don't have a beam upsweep on either
> side.
>
> Contact me for more information, www.danielsternlighting.com
>
> -DS



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Old January 29th 05, 06:02 PM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, KaWallski wrote:

> in UK all headlights reflectors (not the lenses or bulbs) would be
> designed to work in opposite ( mirror image of North America) so that
> the higher point will be to the left, not the right hand side, to
> illuminate the road signs.


Bulbs are the same, optical lenses and/or reflectors are different.

> For UK and Aus. the cars oncoming would be directly looking into the
> brighter portion of your lights if you used North American refelctors.


The UK Ministry of Transport permits US headlamps that don't have an
upsweep to the right. There are many such headlamps.

Don't prattle-on about that which you don't understand.
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Old January 29th 05, 10:23 PM
Bas
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Hmmm..... VAT refund in the Netherlands could be interesting since the rate
is 19% and I seem to remember the UK VAT rate is 17.5%. Also you have to pay
a rediculous amount of "special vehicle tax", called BPM, which I think I
can also reclaim when I settle permanently in the UK. A quick calculation on
a 06/1997 Voyager originally worth EUR 32.000 tells me that there is still
EUR2.663 worth of BPM which I might be able to reclaim (I have to look into
that yet). That's why importing cars from the Netherlands into the UK was so
profitable a couple of years ago, that's probably why they thought of the 6
month ownership rule.

If I would buy a brand new EUR35.000 Voyager today and take that with me
into the UK, I could be getting a refund of EUR7.420. Shame I haven't that
sort of money at the moment

Cheers,

Bas

"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> It seems to me that if you haven't bought it yet you shouldn't until you

get
> to Britain. I don't think the savings are that great with an older car,

are
> they?
>
> Furthermore, if you are moving for a longer period of time you may have to
> go through the 'VAT-dance' (refund in NL, pay in UK). Have you checked

the
> used-car rules? For new cars you have to have owned it for 6 months and
> driven 6 000 km to import without fiddling around with VAT.
>
> BTW, the LPG filling station network is not that well developed here.
>
> DAS
>
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
> ---
>
> "Bas" <basoost at lycos dot co dot uk> wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks everyone for your comments and advise, thankfully I hadn't yet
> > bought
> > one (had my eye on a '95 td model) and am now looking for a >96 model.
> > Apart

> [...]
>
>



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Old January 30th 05, 11:24 PM
KaWallski
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Never Prattledon DS,

Please DO read what I said and not what you imagained you thought I had
intended to say. I said ALL reflectors would be built different, but I did
not say ALL lenses. Reread it. I did NOT assume or pretend to assume all
lenses would be.

As a former owner of SEV Marschall 7" dual reflector dual bulb North
American only headlight assemblies I can attest to differences in both.

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, KaWallski wrote:
>
> > in UK all headlights reflectors (not the lenses or bulbs) would be
> > designed to work in opposite ( mirror image of North America) so that
> > the higher point will be to the left, not the right hand side, to
> > illuminate the road signs.

>
> Bulbs are the same, optical lenses and/or reflectors are different.
>
> > For UK and Aus. the cars oncoming would be directly looking into the
> > brighter portion of your lights if you used North American refelctors.

>
> The UK Ministry of Transport permits US headlamps that don't have an
> upsweep to the right. There are many such headlamps.
>
> Don't prattle-on about that which you don't understand.



  #10  
Old January 31st 05, 05:38 PM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, KaWallski wrote:

> I said ALL reflectors would be built different,


And you were wrong. There are many LHD headlamps that use the selfsame
reflectors as the analogous RHD headlamps.

> As a former owner of SEV Marschall 7" dual reflector dual bulb North
> American only headlight assemblies


Bzzzt! No such thing. The Marchal Amplilux was never made in a "North
American Only" version. It was made in numerous different ECE-LHD versions
and numerous different ECE-RHD versions, but no "North American Only"
versions. Whatever you owned, they weren't what you think they were.

Arguing with me about headlamps will get you nowhere in a very big hurry.
(Actually, that's not true; it just got you into my killfile. C-ya!)


 




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