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Rust on Alfa 147
I purchased a second hand 2001Y 147 1.6TS Lusso approx 8 months ago from
Dixons Motors in Leeds. This came with a 1 years Dixons warantee. However, I have just noticed rust at the bottom the rear door near the wheel arch. I took it into Alfa who told me this must be because the previous owner must have had a scratch and has tried to cover it up himself. There is no evidence of a touch up so if this is the case it must have been a complete re-spray on the door. Very unlikely! They said this as there seems to be a drip/run in the paint near the infected area on the rim of the wheel arch. Personally i'm not convinced by this excuse. Apparently they have a specialist who can measure the thickness of the paint on the car so they can tell if it has been touched up or not. This has been arranged for next month. Anyway, I personally think my warranty should cover this. Does anyone else agree? Has anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks in advance for your time and help Mark |
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:54:56 -0400, "Ballymoney"
> wrote: <Snip> >They said this as there seems to be a >drip/run in the paint near the infected area on the rim of the wheel arch. Paint run marks, rough areas, scratches, unfinished spot welds are just some of the features you can expect on a brand new Alfa! >Personally i'm not convinced by this excuse. Good. >Apparently they have a >specialist who can measure the thickness of the paint on the car so they >can tell if it has been touched up or not. This has been arranged for next >month. Will it make any difference? i.e. the difference between them or you paying? >Anyway, I personally think my warranty should cover this. Warranties on bodywork usually only cover rust from the back through to the front. If rust has started as the result of a problem on the outer paint surface, you may have your work cut out to get the warranty company to pay up. <Snip> -- Z Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) |
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Thanks for your quick response
I'm just concerned that they are saying the warranty does not cover rust if it is a result of a scratch from a former owner. They are just assuming there was a scratch. Its nonsense! There is NO evidence to suggest the previous owner had a bump and a re-spray cos as you say runs in the paint are a common problem with alfa. It's basically my word against theirs. Anyway, i'll battle on. They haven't heard the last of it. Is it worth contacting the former owner to determine if he did have a bump? Surely even alfa couldn't argue against that, but then again... they'll say as its a friday and its raining you're not covered or something pathetic like that. |
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:16:44 -0400, "Ballymoney"
> wrote: >Thanks for your quick response :-) >I'm just concerned that they are saying the warranty does not cover rust >if it is a result of a scratch This is correct - body warranties cover perforation FROM the other side of the metal. They do NOT cover scratches - partly as this is already covered by your comprehensive car insurance policy anyway. >from a former owner. This doesn't matter. >They are just assuming there was a scratch. Its nonsense! ...how can YOU be sure? Rust coming from the other side of a painted metal usually forms a distinctive blister as the rust pushes the paint layers off the underlying metal. For a fair bit of time, this paint blister will remain intact before bursting from the inside out. Often this paint comes off in a sizeable piece when you rub or wash it. If it's a paint side scratch or hole, then you don't get the same blister effect. For a start there's a hole or scratch in the paintwork right from the start. As I said, warranty people will not entertain repair of this type..ever! >There is NO evidence to suggest the >previous owner had a bump and a re-spray cos as you say runs in the paint >are a common problem with alfa. It's basically my word against theirs. >Anyway, i'll battle on. They haven't heard the last of it. You may be wasting your time unless the rust started on the other side of the metal. >Is it worth contacting the former owner to determine if he did have a >bump? Surely even alfa couldn't argue against that, but then again... >they'll say as its a friday and its raining you're not covered or >something pathetic like that. You're still wasting your time unless the rust started on the other side of the metal! The paintwork (3 year against manufacturing defects only) and bodywork 8 year against perforation were clearly defined in the paperwork I got with my car. From memory, so the exact wording may be different: the body/paintwork has to be inspected at the correct intervals (correct servicing times) and any body repairs have to be of an approved standard. If the car has been repaired then (by default) it looks as though the quality of the repair was poor and you may not inherit the full body warranty as a result until approved remedial work is carried out. IMHO, if the paint is broken you'll have a job on your hands getting money for this work. I don't wish to put you off though. -- Z Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) |
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Ballymoney > wrote:
> I purchased a second hand 2001Y 147 1.6TS Lusso approx 8 months ago from > Dixons Motors in Leeds. This came with a 1 years Dixons warantee. However, > I have just noticed rust at the bottom the rear door near the wheel arch. I > took it into Alfa who told me this must be because the previous owner must > have had a scratch and has tried to cover it up himself. There is no > evidence of a touch up so if this is the case it must have been a complete > re-spray on the door. Very unlikely! They said this as there seems to be a > drip/run in the paint near the infected area on the rim of the wheel arch. > Personally i'm not convinced by this excuse. Apparently they have a > specialist who can measure the thickness of the paint on the car so they > can tell if it has been touched up or not. This has been arranged for next > month. > > Anyway, I personally think my warranty should cover this. Does anyone else > agree? Has anyone else had a similar experience? Sounds like it's had a cheap repair done at some point (quite possibly by Dixons themselves). An original Alfa panel wouldn't rust in this way as they're galvanised. I crashed my Fiat Cinq. several years ago, taking paint off every panel down the off-side of the car - I continued driving the car on gritted roads for a few months without covering over the dented / scraped panels, and there wasn't even a trace of rust coming through. I also have lots of chips and scrapes on my current 155, none of which are going rusty - including an area about an inch square above the sill cover. The only way a modern day Alfa will rust at that sort of age is if the panel has been replaced with a non-original ungalvanised panel. I'd be shouting at Dixons for not declaring previously repaired accident damage if I were you. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |
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dom > wrote:
> (SteveH) wrote: > > >as they're galvanised. I crashed my Fiat Cinq. several years ago, taking > > We need a poll... how many ex Cinq owners are in here! Heh. They do seem quite a common choice amongst Alfisti. To be honest, the Cinq. could have been a 'baby Alfa'. In fact, I suppose it was, in a way, as it looked like a 145 that had been shrunk in the wash and drives like an Alfa, too. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |
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Zathras > wrote in message >. ..
> On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:54:56 -0400, "Ballymoney" > > wrote: > > <Snip> > >They said this as there seems to be a > >drip/run in the paint near the infected area on the rim of the wheel arch. > > Paint run marks, rough areas, scratches, unfinished spot welds are > just some of the features you can expect on a brand new Alfa! > > >Personally i'm not convinced by this excuse. > > Good. > > >Apparently they have a > >specialist who can measure the thickness of the paint on the car so they > >can tell if it has been touched up or not. This has been arranged for next > >month. > > Will it make any difference? i.e. the difference between them or you > paying? > > >Anyway, I personally think my warranty should cover this. > > Warranties on bodywork usually only cover rust from the back through > to the front. If rust has started as the result of a problem on the > outer paint surface, you may have your work cut out to get the > warranty company to pay up. > <Snip> In the Alfa 147 brochure I picked up before I bought mine in 2002, it states,8 year anti perforation warranty: Subject to regular inspections being carried out, any perforation of the bodywork, due to corrosion, will be repaired free of charge of all parts and labour charges during the first 8 years. 3 Year paintwork warranty: Any paintwork defects, due to faulty materials or manufacture, will be rectified free of charge during the first 3 years. Even if the car has not been resprayed,I think with the car being 2001 on a Y, you may be just out of warranty anyway. Hope this is of some use to you. John, UK. |
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Thats my exact point...The rust is in the form of many little tiny blisters
and has not burst through the final coat of paint YET. This does suggest it was not caused by a scratch. |
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