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  #11  
Old May 15th 06, 03:16 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"C. E. White" wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > If you want good mileage simply don't drive a big heavy car !

>
> True
>
> > A VW Golf isn't that small but can return 49 mpg in its turbo diesel

> variant.
> > http://www.transmitmedia.com/golfTDI/

>
> But it is still a VW.....


That's a problem ?

Graham

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Old May 15th 06, 03:24 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C. E. White" wrote:
>
>> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > If you want good mileage simply don't drive a big heavy car !

>>
>> True
>>
>> > A VW Golf isn't that small but can return 49 mpg in its turbo diesel

>> variant.
>> > http://www.transmitmedia.com/golfTDI/

>>
>> But it is still a VW.....

>
> That's a problem ?
>


For people who remember the quality of them
from the late 80's, early 90's, it can be.

I think they have addressed those issues, and now
anyone who thinks they are still bad quality has not
kept up with current events.

Bernard


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Old May 15th 06, 04:01 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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bernard farquart wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "C. E. White" wrote:
> >
> >> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > If you want good mileage simply don't drive a big heavy car !
> >>
> >> True
> >>
> >> > A VW Golf isn't that small but can return 49 mpg in its turbo diesel
> >> variant.
> >> > http://www.transmitmedia.com/golfTDI/
> >>
> >> But it is still a VW.....

> >
> > That's a problem ?

>
> For people who remember the quality of them
> from the late 80's, early 90's, it can be.
>
> I think they have addressed those issues, and now
> anyone who thinks they are still bad quality has not
> kept up with current events.


Curious. In Europe VW's always been associated with good build quality and
reliability.

What sort of problems were experienced ?

Graham

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Old May 15th 06, 04:36 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
>


>>
>> For people who remember the quality of them
>> from the late 80's, early 90's, it can be.
>>
>> I think they have addressed those issues, and now
>> anyone who thinks they are still bad quality has not
>> kept up with current events.

>
> Curious. In Europe VW's always been associated with good build quality and
> reliability.
>
> What sort of problems were experienced ?


Lots of build quality issues (interior pieces not fitting properly)
electrical problems, many of the issues came from the
cars built in Mexico.

Bernard


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Old May 16th 06, 06:21 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C. E. White" wrote:
>
> > "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > If you want good mileage simply don't drive a big heavy car !

> >
> > True
> >
> > > A VW Golf isn't that small but can return 49 mpg in its turbo diesel

> > variant.
> > > http://www.transmitmedia.com/golfTDI/

> >
> > But it is still a VW.....

>
> That's a problem ?


Definitely. Both my sisters owned one each. Both had repair bills in excess
of all the other cars they owned combined. A co-worked fell for the
advertising hype and bought a Passat (I did warn him). After three months,
50% of which the car was at the dealer, the dealer bought it back. He is now
a happy Honda owner. I've know a few happy VW owners, and some even had cars
that weren't lemons, but the odds are not good.

Ed


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Old May 16th 06, 06:48 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"bernard farquart" > wrote in message
. ..

> >> But it is still a VW.....

> >
> > That's a problem ?
> >

>
> For people who remember the quality of them
> from the late 80's, early 90's, it can be.
>
> I think they have addressed those issues, and now
> anyone who thinks they are still bad quality has not
> kept up with current events.


A co-worked bought a 2005 Passat. 3 months later the dealer bought it back.
The list of problems is increidible - gunk ozzing out of the doors, seat
fabric that magically discolored, exterior trim falling off, one engine lost
oil pressure twice (while his pregnant wife was driving it on the freeway),
power window quit. There is more, but I can't remember it all. My SO's
daughter has a 2005 Jetta. Dash display does mysterious things (odometer
winks out). Air bag light flashes at random times. Horn quit working.

Ed


  #17  
Old May 16th 06, 06:50 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"C. E. White" wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "C. E. White" wrote:
> >
> > > "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > If you want good mileage simply don't drive a big heavy car !
> > >
> > > True
> > >
> > > > A VW Golf isn't that small but can return 49 mpg in its turbo diesel
> > > variant.
> > > > http://www.transmitmedia.com/golfTDI/
> > >
> > > But it is still a VW.....

> >
> > That's a problem ?

>
> Definitely. Both my sisters owned one each. Both had repair bills in excess
> of all the other cars they owned combined. A co-worked fell for the
> advertising hype and bought a Passat (I did warn him). After three months,
> 50% of which the car was at the dealer, the dealer bought it back. He is now
> a happy Honda owner. I've know a few happy VW owners, and some even had cars
> that weren't lemons, but the odds are not good.


Someone else suggested it was because the US VWs were made in Brazil.

In Europe VW has an oustanding reputation for build and reliability.

Graham

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Old May 16th 06, 10:04 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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C. E. White wrote:
> "bernard farquart" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> > >> But it is still a VW.....
> > >
> > > That's a problem ?
> > >

> >
> > For people who remember the quality of them
> > from the late 80's, early 90's, it can be.
> >
> > I think they have addressed those issues, and now
> > anyone who thinks they are still bad quality has not
> > kept up with current events.

>
> A co-worked bought a 2005 Passat. 3 months later the dealer bought it back.
> The list of problems is increidible - gunk ozzing out of the doors, seat
> fabric that magically discolored, exterior trim falling off, one engine lost
> oil pressure twice (while his pregnant wife was driving it on the freeway),
> power window quit. There is more, but I can't remember it all. My SO's
> daughter has a 2005 Jetta. Dash display does mysterious things (odometer
> winks out). Air bag light flashes at random times. Horn quit working.
>
> Ed


VW, at least with the Rabbit/Golf/Jetta/Scirocco series, has never had
really bad quality... I've driven many, many old VWs that were well
past their "best before" date and loved them.

That said... they have time and time again fallen victim to supplier
quality issues, and their methods of handling said issues... well,
let's say they have lots of room for improvement. Anyone remember the
exploding heater cores? Sure, VW would replace 'em for you... with the
same ****ty part. After you kicked and screamed and threatened to sue.
And of course since it requires removal of the dashboard, it wll
squeak and rattle afterwards, because what dealer is going to do a
really good dash R&R for warranty work? My fiancee has had the HC
replaced twice on her Corrado, and VW flat out refused to pick up the
tab, despite NHTSA saying that it should be covered under recall. She
paid out of pocket because the rest of the car is nice enough that it
was worth it. How about the self-destructing window regulators that
let the window glass drop down into the doors? Another supplier issue,
caused by the mfgr. of the regulators substituting a different material
for a critical part without telling VW. Well, sure enough, the
driver's side window fell down on my '02 GTI and the dealer fixed it
under warranty. But policy said that if ONE window failed they would
put a repair kit in ONE window. So of course I had to go back again a
month later to have the pass. side window fixed. Then there was the
coil pack fiasco where VW apparently single-sourced the coil packs and
they were on backorder for 6+ weeks because they didn't have a second
supplier lined up when they had quality issues with their primary
supplier. Great cars, but they tend to leave a bad taste in the mouths
of consumers who don't appreciate them enough to put up with VW's BS.

I actually *did* love my '02 GTI but did have the following issues:

1) when delivered, the rear wiper had the wrong blade in it and it was
hitting the hatch.
2) radio head unit locked up and needed to be replaced.
3) wires between head unit and amplifiers were miswired from factory
causing an out of phase condition (I actually told the dealer how to
fix this one, from reading about the issue on RAMVW.)
4) both door windows failed and needed to have a repair kit installed -
two trips to dealer for this one (see above.)
5) coil packs were replaced under warranty (fortunately they lasted
long enough for the supplier issues to be resolved before the car
started running rough)

this was all within 40K miles. I subsequently sold the car to my mom
and with all the bugs worked out it's a great car and she loves it. Of
course, you shouldn't HAVE to work bugs out of a new car, and they
certainly shouldn't require two trips to the dealer for the same
problem, when the problem is widespread and well known.

And then there's a Passat which is a notoriously twitchy beast and best
avoided.

nate

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Old May 16th 06, 10:06 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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N8N wrote:
> C. E. White wrote:
> > "bernard farquart" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >
> > > >> But it is still a VW.....
> > > >
> > > > That's a problem ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > For people who remember the quality of them
> > > from the late 80's, early 90's, it can be.
> > >
> > > I think they have addressed those issues, and now
> > > anyone who thinks they are still bad quality has not
> > > kept up with current events.

> >
> > A co-worked bought a 2005 Passat. 3 months later the dealer bought it back.
> > The list of problems is increidible - gunk ozzing out of the doors, seat
> > fabric that magically discolored, exterior trim falling off, one engine lost
> > oil pressure twice (while his pregnant wife was driving it on the freeway),
> > power window quit. There is more, but I can't remember it all. My SO's
> > daughter has a 2005 Jetta. Dash display does mysterious things (odometer
> > winks out). Air bag light flashes at random times. Horn quit working.
> >
> > Ed

>
> VW, at least with the Rabbit/Golf/Jetta/Scirocco series, has never had
> really bad quality... I've driven many, many old VWs that were well
> past their "best before" date and loved them.
>
> That said... they have time and time again fallen victim to supplier
> quality issues, and their methods of handling said issues... well,
> let's say they have lots of room for improvement. Anyone remember the
> exploding heater cores? Sure, VW would replace 'em for you... with the
> same ****ty part. After you kicked and screamed and threatened to sue.
> And of course since it requires removal of the dashboard, it wll
> squeak and rattle afterwards, because what dealer is going to do a
> really good dash R&R for warranty work? My fiancee has had the HC
> replaced twice on her Corrado, and VW flat out refused to pick up the
> tab, despite NHTSA saying that it should be covered under recall. She
> paid out of pocket because the rest of the car is nice enough that it
> was worth it. How about the self-destructing window regulators that
> let the window glass drop down into the doors? Another supplier issue,
> caused by the mfgr. of the regulators substituting a different material
> for a critical part without telling VW. Well, sure enough, the
> driver's side window fell down on my '02 GTI and the dealer fixed it
> under warranty. But policy said that if ONE window failed they would
> put a repair kit in ONE window. So of course I had to go back again a
> month later to have the pass. side window fixed. Then there was the
> coil pack fiasco where VW apparently single-sourced the coil packs and
> they were on backorder for 6+ weeks because they didn't have a second
> supplier lined up when they had quality issues with their primary
> supplier. Great cars, but they tend to leave a bad taste in the mouths
> of consumers who don't appreciate them enough to put up with VW's BS.
>
> I actually *did* love my '02 GTI but did have the following issues:
>
> 1) when delivered, the rear wiper had the wrong blade in it and it was
> hitting the hatch.
> 2) radio head unit locked up and needed to be replaced.
> 3) wires between head unit and amplifiers were miswired from factory
> causing an out of phase condition (I actually told the dealer how to
> fix this one, from reading about the issue on RAMVW.)
> 4) both door windows failed and needed to have a repair kit installed -
> two trips to dealer for this one (see above.)
> 5) coil packs were replaced under warranty (fortunately they lasted
> long enough for the supplier issues to be resolved before the car
> started running rough)
>
> this was all within 40K miles. I subsequently sold the car to my mom
> and with all the bugs worked out it's a great car and she loves it. Of
> course, you shouldn't HAVE to work bugs out of a new car, and they
> certainly shouldn't require two trips to the dealer for the same
> problem, when the problem is widespread and well known.
>
> And then there's a Passat which is a notoriously twitchy beast and best
> avoided.
>
> nate


Now that I reread my post... I would still buy a VW. Why? They're
still MILES better than the competition as a car. (well, except the
Passat.) But I do wish that they would get their **** together and
provide a level of service that matches the quality of their product.
It's almost enough to make one buy a Japanese car...

nate

 




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