Battery cable came off!

Hi, was checking my '95 Civic 1.6L today. It was idling, and I heard
the idle sound change: it seemed higher. I stepped on the gas a bit,
and I heard a soft electrical "pop" near the stereo panel. I hurriedly
shut down the engine, I found that the negative battery cable had come
off! (It had a quick-release connection). I connected it, restarted and
found everything working fine, even checked all the stereo functions,
LEDs, and the ECU.

I've read that the battery acts as a big capacitor to smooth out
voltage spikes. The entire episode didn't take more that 10 seconds,
but I'm worried... could there be any permanent damage?

"sharx333" > wrote in message
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> Hi, was checking my '95 Civic 1.6L today. It was idling, and I heard
> the idle sound change: it seemed higher. I stepped on the gas a bit,
> and I heard a soft electrical "pop" near the stereo panel. I hurriedly
> shut down the engine, I found that the negative battery cable had come
> off! (It had a quick-release connection). I connected it, restarted and
> found everything working fine, even checked all the stereo functions,
> LEDs, and the ECU.
>
> I've read that the battery acts as a big capacitor to smooth out
> voltage spikes. The entire episode didn't take more that 10 seconds,
> but I'm worried... could there be any permanent damage?
>

For an event like that, the damage will be clear immediately. The only
electrical zaps I've seen delayed failures on were lightning strikes. I've
dealt with about two dozen lightning strikes (one on a bizjet, the rest at
communication sites) and have come to the conclusion that although the
failure rate drops off after 6 months the equipment is often never
completely right again.

Sounds like you dodged the bullet. Congratulations!

Mike

sharx333 wrote:
> Hi, was checking my '95 Civic 1.6L today. It was idling, and I heard
> the idle sound change: it seemed higher. I stepped on the gas a bit,
> and I heard a soft electrical "pop" near the stereo panel. I hurriedly
> shut down the engine, I found that the negative battery cable had come
> off! (It had a quick-release connection). I connected it, restarted and
> found everything working fine, even checked all the stereo functions,
> LEDs, and the ECU.
>
> I've read that the battery acts as a big capacitor to smooth out
> voltage spikes. The entire episode didn't take more that 10 seconds,
> but I'm worried... could there be any permanent damage?

You read wrong. The battery reacts too slowly to absorb spikes, it lives at 12V
versus your alternator's typical 13.5-14.5V, your alternator wouldn't produce a
spike unless it failed spectacularly, and having the terminal come off wouldn't
cause a spike either.

Ultimately, cars have batteries for one purpose: starting the engine. Once the
engine is running, the alternator provides for all the car's power requirements.
Yes, batteries are also used to power accessories when the car is off, but the
only reason they're there in the first place is to crank the starter.

Matt Ion > wrote in
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> sharx333 wrote:
>> Hi, was checking my '95 Civic 1.6L today. It was idling, and I heard
>> the idle sound change: it seemed higher. I stepped on the gas a bit,
>> and I heard a soft electrical "pop" near the stereo panel. I
>> hurriedly shut down the engine, I found that the negative battery
>> cable had come off! (It had a quick-release connection). I connected
>> it, restarted and found everything working fine, even checked all the
>> stereo functions, LEDs, and the ECU.
>>
>> I've read that the battery acts as a big capacitor to smooth out
>> voltage spikes. The entire episode didn't take more that 10 seconds,
>> but I'm worried... could there be any permanent damage?
>
> You read wrong. The battery reacts too slowly to absorb spikes, it
> lives at 12V versus your alternator's typical 13.5-14.5V, your
> alternator wouldn't produce a spike unless it failed spectacularly,
> and having the terminal come off wouldn't cause a spike either.



It absolutely would. Damage may not always occur, but there will be spikes.

The battery's secondary function IS to provide a buffer for the
alternator's pulses. Connecting the cables together without the battery in
between is dangerous to the car and should NOT be done. You could to that n
1976, but not now.

http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq2.htm


>
> Ultimately, cars have batteries for one purpose: starting the engine.
> Once the engine is running, the alternator provides for all the car's
> power requirements.
> Yes, batteries are also used to power accessories when the car is
> off, but the
> only reason they're there in the first place is to crank the starter.
>


See the above link.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

I'm happy to be wrong on this one, Matt. Thanks, guys. *Whew*.

Mike: Lightning strikes, really? Wow.

sharx333 wrote:
> I'm happy to be wrong on this one, Matt. Thanks, guys. *Whew*.
>
> Mike: Lightning strikes, really? Wow.

I've taken two direct strikes to my antenna mast in the last 5 years.
No damage at all. But...I ground out my feedlines when storms are
in the area. The strikes hit about 15 ft from where I'm sitting at this
puter. I was sitting here both times.
My mast is very well grounded, with low resistance. When
a strike hits that mast, it's very quiet. Sounds about like a light
bulb being thrown on the ground, and then a loud sonic boom
directly overhead. Pretty wild.. But I have no trouble at all. My
puter doesn't even flinch. You can set the station up for full time
use, even with direct strikes, "all broadcast stations are set up
this way", but it takes a detailed installation using a ground
bulkhead,
careful single point grounding, suppressors, etc, etc.. I'm too cheap
and
lazy to mess with all that. :/ I just manually ground the feedlines at
the
bulkhead.
As far as the car, yes, it's not good to unhook the alternator while
running. You got lucky. Many cars would have done a toasting of the
alternator in record time. You dodged the bullet this time it seems.
If it did have a problem from doing that, it will usually be blown
diodes
I would think.
MK

"sharx333" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I'm happy to be wrong on this one, Matt. Thanks, guys. *Whew*.
>
> Mike: Lightning strikes, really? Wow.
>

Yep - mostly mountaintop sites, two or three a year since I moved to the
mountains. For some reason the storms prefer holidays and my anniversary!

Mike

"Matt Ion" > wrote in message
newsvefh.470560$R63.142904@pd7urf1no...
> sharx333 wrote:
>> Hi, was checking my '95 Civic 1.6L today. It was idling, and I heard
>> the idle sound change: it seemed higher. I stepped on the gas a bit,
>> and I heard a soft electrical "pop" near the stereo panel. I hurriedly
>> shut down the engine, I found that the negative battery cable had come
>> off! (It had a quick-release connection). I connected it, restarted and
>> found everything working fine, even checked all the stereo functions,
>> LEDs, and the ECU.
>>
>> I've read that the battery acts as a big capacitor to smooth out
>> voltage spikes. The entire episode didn't take more that 10 seconds,
>> but I'm worried... could there be any permanent damage?
>
> You read wrong. The battery reacts too slowly to absorb spikes, it lives
> at 12V versus your alternator's typical 13.5-14.5V, your alternator
> wouldn't produce a spike unless it failed spectacularly, and having the
> terminal come off wouldn't cause a spike either.
>
> Ultimately, cars have batteries for one purpose: starting the engine.
> Once the engine is running, the alternator provides for all the car's
> power requirements. Yes, batteries are also used to power accessories when
> the car is off, but the only reason they're there in the first place is to
> crank the starter.

The problem is that alternators are very inductive. Without a battery,
changes in current produce wild fluctuations in voltage; suddenly reducing
the current draw by half should roughly double the voltage for a moment. At
low current I would expect the alternator and regulator to go into
oscillation without a battery to stabilize it.

Mike

Tegger > wrote in
:

> Matt Ion > wrote in
> newsvefh.470560$R63.142904@pd7urf1no:
>
>> sharx333 wrote:
>>> Hi, was checking my '95 Civic 1.6L today. It was idling, and I heard
>>> the idle sound change: it seemed higher. I stepped on the gas a bit,
>>> and I heard a soft electrical "pop" near the stereo panel. I
>>> hurriedly shut down the engine, I found that the negative battery
>>> cable had come off! (It had a quick-release connection). I connected
>>> it, restarted and found everything working fine, even checked all
>>> the stereo functions, LEDs, and the ECU.
>>>
>>> I've read that the battery acts as a big capacitor to smooth out
>>> voltage spikes. The entire episode didn't take more that 10 seconds,
>>> but I'm worried... could there be any permanent damage?
>>
>> You read wrong. The battery reacts too slowly to absorb spikes, it
>> lives at 12V versus your alternator's typical 13.5-14.5V, your
>> alternator wouldn't produce a spike unless it failed spectacularly,
>> and having the terminal come off wouldn't cause a spike either.
>
>
>
> It absolutely would. Damage may not always occur, but there will be
> spikes.
>
> The battery's secondary function IS to provide a buffer for the
> alternator's pulses. Connecting the cables together without the
> battery in between is dangerous to the car and should NOT be done. You
> could to that n 1976, but not now.
>
> http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq2.htm
>
>
>>
>> Ultimately, cars have batteries for one purpose: starting the engine.
>> Once the engine is running, the alternator provides for all the car's
>> power requirements.
>> Yes, batteries are also used to power accessories when the car is
>> off, but the
>> only reason they're there in the first place is to crank the starter.
>>
>
>
> See the above link.
>
>
>

To clarify;the alternator generates AC voltage which is rectified to
pulsating DC,and the ONLY thing that smooths it to reasonably pure DC is
the battery. Otherwise,your car radio would be buzzing in tune with the
engine RPM.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Michael Pardee" > wrote in
:

> "sharx333" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> I'm happy to be wrong on this one, Matt. Thanks, guys. *Whew*.
>>
>> Mike: Lightning strikes, really? Wow.
>>
>
> Yep - mostly mountaintop sites, two or three a year since I moved to the
> mountains. For some reason the storms prefer holidays and my anniversary!
>
> Mike
>
>
>

Try Central Florida,the lightning capital of the US.
Also,the power density of Florida strikes are on average twice that of
northern lightning strikes.

I've had a pine tree about 300 ft from my apartment(tallest in the area)
get struck(and killed) while I was watching. The bolt travelled right down
the side,blowing a channel of bark off the tree. It took out a surge
protector on my phone line and my modem,didn't harm the phones or the
TeleZapper.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net