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oil additive may have toasted my engine
I have an 89 lebaron with about 80k. Lifter noise was bothersone so I
added RISLONE engine treatment, mainly because I heard that RISLONE was one of the best at "quieting noisy engine lifters". In fact, lifter-noise-taming is what the product seems to mainly endorse, although the label does mention that it will "remove sludge and other harmful deposit". So well in fact that its' detergent properties were powerful enough to release enough sludge on an 80,000 mile motor to block essential ports, resulting in ?? amount of engine damage. At any rate, the fact that previous owners of the car may have been lazy about proper auto. maintenance, as well as the fact that RISLONE seems to "under-emphasize" it's products' ability to break-up sludge in a car's engine, has left me stuck picking up the pieces but hey, thats' life, right? I have, however played with idea that, in the event the engines' oil ports were free-flowing once again, the engine might not sound so sickly when I crank it over and actually run again (how well, who knows?) Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "un-block" the oil ports on a non-running 2.2L chrysler engine, in case luck may be on my side? |
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"marks89lebaron" > wrote in message lkaboutautos.com... > I have an 89 lebaron with about 80k. Lifter noise was bothersone so I > added RISLONE engine treatment, mainly because I heard that RISLONE was > one of the best at "quieting noisy engine lifters". In fact, > lifter-noise-taming is what the product seems to mainly endorse, although > the label does mention that it will "remove sludge and other harmful > deposit". So well in fact that its' detergent properties were powerful > enough to release enough sludge on an 80,000 mile motor to block essential > ports, resulting in ?? amount of engine damage. At any rate, the fact that > previous owners of the car may have been lazy about proper auto. > maintenance, as well as the fact that RISLONE seems to "under-emphasize" > it's products' ability to break-up sludge in a car's engine, has left me > stuck picking up the pieces but hey, thats' life, right? I have, however > played with idea that, in the event the engines' oil ports were > free-flowing once again, the engine might not sound so sickly when I crank > it over and actually run again (how well, who knows?) Does anyone have any > suggestions on how to "un-block" the oil ports on a non-running 2.2L > chrysler engine, in case luck may be on my side? I toasted something adding in Bardahl's for a smoking engine, I do believe. You have my sympathies. I don' tknow about RISLONE. I forget what I toasted. The catalytic convertor, is that possible? The car really went downhill after some of that anti-smoking sludge. So I did the opposite of what you did. I sludged mine up. A big Olds I had, probably similar in engine type, a big 80's V-8 back then, about same mileage as yours. |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, marks89lebaron wrote:
> I have an 89 lebaron with about 80k. Lifter noise was bothersone so I > added RISLONE engine treatment, mainly because I heard that RISLONE was > one of the best at "quieting noisy engine lifters". I don't think you had lifter noise at all. I think you probably had the beginning of gudgeon pin (piston pin) knock, which is very common on earlier 2.2 and 2.5 litre engines. Those cam followers scarcely ever make noise. Adding anything other than the specified oil to your crankcase is risky business on an engine an unknown or known-to-be-poor maintenance history. Even on an engine in fundamentally sound condition, flushing operations are fraught with exactly the hazard you encountered. > the label does mention that it will "remove sludge and other harmful > deposit". And unless I miss my guess, you just poured it right on in, probably on top of a crankcase full of dirty oil and an old filter, figuring you'd let it do its thing for awhile and then change the oil sometime in the future...right? This is practically guaranteed to result in exactly what happened to you. An engine dirty enough to require flushing really needs to be opened and cleaned (at least the oil pan and cam cover removed and manually cleaned), but if you're determined to try a flush, you start by buying several oil filters and a lot of new oil. > So well in fact that its' detergent properties were powerful enough to > release enough sludge on an 80,000 mile motor to block essential ports, > resulting in ?? amount of engine damage. Its entirely possible to accumulate fatal amounts of sludge in far less than 80k miles if low quality oil and filters are used and/or if the oil is not changed often enough. > At any rate, the fact that previous owners of the car may have been lazy > about proper auto. maintenance, Certainly seems so. > as well as the fact that RISLONE seems to "under-emphasize" it's > products' ability to break-up sludge in a car's engine Er...huh? It says it dissolves gum and sludge. Where did you think the gum and sludge would go? It doesn't just de-materialize or otherwise disappear, y'know... > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "un-block" the oil ports on a > non-running 2.2L chrysler engine, in case luck may be on my side? Well, let's have the rest of the story. You added the Rislone, you ran the engine, and then...what happened, exactly? |
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Pulling the head is the only way if it is not running and brushing out the
ports. I have used a product called Marvel Mystery oil it comes in a red can and most places carry it. Drain out all oil, fill 1 quart shy and add 1 quart of MMO fun engine for about 30 minutes at idle, drain oil, change filter and refill with oil, run another 30 minutes check oil condition if dirty change oil and filter. This stuff really cleans your engines innards. -- HarryS My 2¢ "marks89lebaron" > wrote in message lkaboutautos.com... |I have an 89 lebaron with about 80k. Lifter noise was bothersone so I | added RISLONE engine treatment, mainly because I heard that RISLONE was | one of the best at "quieting noisy engine lifters". In fact, | lifter-noise-taming is what the product seems to mainly endorse, although | the label does mention that it will "remove sludge and other harmful | deposit". So well in fact that its' detergent properties were powerful | enough to release enough sludge on an 80,000 mile motor to block essential | ports, resulting in ?? amount of engine damage. At any rate, the fact that | previous owners of the car may have been lazy about proper auto. | maintenance, as well as the fact that RISLONE seems to "under-emphasize" | it's products' ability to break-up sludge in a car's engine, has left me | stuck picking up the pieces but hey, thats' life, right? I have, however | played with idea that, in the event the engines' oil ports were | free-flowing once again, the engine might not sound so sickly when I crank | it over and actually run again (how well, who knows?) Does anyone have any | suggestions on how to "un-block" the oil ports on a non-running 2.2L | chrysler engine, in case luck may be on my side? | |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, HarryS wrote:
> Pulling the head is the only way if it is not running and brushing out > the ports. I have used a product called Marvel Mystery oil it comes in > a red can and most places carry it. Drain out all oil, fill 1 quart shy > and add 1 quart of MMO AND INSTALL NEW FILTER! > run engine for about 30 minutes at idle, fast idle |
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marks89lebaron wrote:
> I have an 89 lebaron with about 80k. Lifter noise was bothersone so I > added RISLONE engine treatment, mainly because I heard that RISLONE was > one of the best at "quieting noisy engine lifters". In fact, > lifter-noise-taming is what the product seems to mainly endorse, although > the label does mention that it will "remove sludge and other harmful > deposit". So well in fact that its' detergent properties were powerful > enough to release enough sludge on an 80,000 mile motor to block essential > ports, resulting in ?? amount of engine damage. At any rate, the fact that > previous owners of the car may have been lazy about proper auto. > maintenance, as well as the fact that RISLONE seems to "under-emphasize" > it's products' ability to break-up sludge in a car's engine, has left me > stuck picking up the pieces but hey, thats' life, right? I have, however > played with idea that, in the event the engines' oil ports were > free-flowing once again, the engine might not sound so sickly when I crank > it over and actually run again (how well, who knows?) Does anyone have any > suggestions on how to "un-block" the oil ports on a non-running 2.2L > chrysler engine, in case luck may be on my side? > Was this the type of Rislone that you put in for a quick 15 minute cleanout, or something you put in an leave in? Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message n.umich.edu... > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, HarryS wrote: > >> Pulling the head is the only way if it is not running and brushing out >> the ports. I have used a product called Marvel Mystery oil it comes in >> a red can and most places carry it. Drain out all oil, fill 1 quart shy >> and add 1 quart of MMO > > AND INSTALL NEW FILTER! > >> run engine for about 30 minutes at idle, > > fast idle Just change the oil at least twice in short order. Dan's suggestions are sound. Good detergent oil will get out any solids in short order with far less risk of too much too soon. Additives are not needed. Richard. |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Bill Putney wrote:
> Was this the type of Rislone that you put in for a quick 15 minute > cleanout, or something you put in an leave in? Don't believe I've seen one of the 15 (or 5) minute "fast flush" engine enemas with the Rislone label on it... |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Bill Putney wrote: > > >>Was this the type of Rislone that you put in for a quick 15 minute >>cleanout, or something you put in an leave in? > > > Don't believe I've seen one of the 15 (or 5) minute "fast flush" engine > enemas with the Rislone label on it... In the "old days", that's what a Rislone flush was - I guess at some point they wisely changed the product, of which I wasn't aware. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:57:02 -0500, Bill Putney >
wrote: >Daniel J. Stern wrote: > >> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Bill Putney wrote: >> >> >>>Was this the type of Rislone that you put in for a quick 15 minute >>>cleanout, or something you put in an leave in? >> >> >> Don't believe I've seen one of the 15 (or 5) minute "fast flush" engine >> enemas with the Rislone label on it... > >In the "old days", that's what a Rislone flush was - I guess at some >point they wisely changed the product, of which I wasn't aware. > >Bill Putney >(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >adddress with the letter 'x') As far back as I can remember Shaler Rislone was available 2 ways - in the quart and 1/2 pint (more or less) sizes. One was to add in a change, the other to a full crankcase. The quart was basically a can of oil with the concentrate already mixed in. It was a rather "gentle" engine flush compared to most. I have used cases of it over the years, without a problem. If an engine is particularly badly gummed up I would not leave it in for more than a few hundred miles of driving. I've had a few where it could not clean the engine up enough to eliminate valve noises. If the oil can't flow in the first place, the rislone can't clean out the passages. A 351C (or M - can't remember which) on an old LTD was one I remember that kept eating rockers untill I replaced all the push-rods and pulled and hot-tanked the heads. (surprisingly, the crankcase was pretty clean by then) An old Rambler 232 did not respond either, so I ran a peice of brake line from the oil sender switch port up to the rocker shaft. The overhead oiler quieted that engine down and I was able to drive it until I didn't need it any more, without a squeak or clatter. (on that engine the oil comes up around one of the head bolts that was so badly coked and sludged I was not willing to risk trying to remove it) Within weeks of installing the Rislone and oil line the rocker shafts were clean and varnish-free. |
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