Ok now THIS is weird!

To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
conversion). I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim you
might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...

I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the track
in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
GPL experience.

But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
rather then an open wheeler.

Things that make you go "hmmm....."

"DJSpeedy" > wrote in message
...
> To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
> conversion). I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim you
> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
>
> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
track
> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
> GPL experience.
>
> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
> rather then an open wheeler.
>
> Things that make you go "hmmm....."


Um .. .. .. 35 years, or so, of autotech advances , downforce, etc.

Elrikk

Maybe N2K3's track isn't exactly to proper scale?


"DJSpeedy" > wrote in message
...
> To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
> conversion). I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim you
> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
>
> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
> track
> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
> GPL experience.
>
> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
> rather then an open wheeler.
>
> Things that make you go "hmmm....."
>
>
>

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:09:18 -0500, "Mike Beauchamp"
> wrote:

>Maybe N2K3's track isn't exactly to proper scale?
>
>

Should be the exact same scale, since it is just the
GPL version converted to NR. Now someone told
me recently that the cars in NR had been scaled up
just a tad, and the new GTP mod will have more
realistically-sized cars...

Hmm exactly, that's 2.5 seconds difference, even quicker/slower than you
thought.

Andi.


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"DJSpeedy" > wrote in message
...
> To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
> conversion). I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim you
> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
>
> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
track
> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
> GPL experience.
>
> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
> rather then an open wheeler.
>
> Things that make you go "hmmm....."
>
>
>

> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
>
> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
> track
> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
> GPL experience.
>
> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
> rather then an open wheeler.
Try this for an experiment...
Get a GPL version of Indianapolis Motor Speedway...
The times will probably be in the 1:00 minute area for a 1967 GP car..
A good time in N 2003's version of the Brickyard (included in the game...
not a converted version) will be in the low .50 sec range.
I think that's just the increase in raw horsepower.
Timmy

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 GMT, "Timmy Ferrell"
> wrote:

>> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
>> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
>>
>> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
>> track
>> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
>> GPL experience.
>>
>> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
>> rather then an open wheeler.
>Try this for an experiment...
>Get a GPL version of Indianapolis Motor Speedway...
>The times will probably be in the 1:00 minute area for a 1967 GP car..
>A good time in N 2003's version of the Brickyard (included in the game...
>not a converted version) will be in the low .50 sec range.
>I think that's just the increase in raw horsepower.
>Timmy
>

A good time at Indy '67 in a GPL car is around 53 seconds...

True fact: '67 F1 cars were about as fast around any given circuit as '67
Indy cars (Andretti was on the Indy 500 pole @ 169 mph, but Brands Hatch is
where the comparisons are telling), despite the latter having a 50% bigger
alcohol-burning engine and the former being several hundred pounds lighter.
Moreover, the fastest sports cars of the era (Ford, Ferrari, Chaparral) were
also in the same range (again, the comparison at Brands tells), Even
curiouser, latter-day Cup cars are about as fast around any given circuit as
the '67 bolides, thanks to superior aero and rubber, and despite having an
inferior power-to-weight ratio. Perhaps that's why Papy sims--and their
mode--work so well in similar laptime environments.


"John DiFool" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 GMT, "Timmy Ferrell"
> > wrote:
>
> >> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> >> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
> >>
> >> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
> >> track
> >> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though
my
> >> GPL experience.
> >>
> >> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock
car
> >> rather then an open wheeler.
> >Try this for an experiment...
> >Get a GPL version of Indianapolis Motor Speedway...
> >The times will probably be in the 1:00 minute area for a 1967 GP car..
> >A good time in N 2003's version of the Brickyard (included in the game...
> >not a converted version) will be in the low .50 sec range.
> >I think that's just the increase in raw horsepower.
> >Timmy
> >
>
> A good time at Indy '67 in a GPL car is around 53 seconds...
>

>>The times will probably be in the 1:00 minute area for a 1967 GP car..
>>A good time in N 2003's version of the Brickyard (included in the game...
>>not a converted version) will be in the low .50 sec range.
> A good time at Indy '67 in a GPL car is around 53 seconds...
Keep in mind my GPL Handicap is is about +65...
1.00 Minute for me IS a good time....
Timmy

"DJSpeedy" > wrote in message
...
> To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
> conversion). I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim you
> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> 1:30.200. That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...
>
> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3. I had not run the
> track
> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
> GPL experience.
>
> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
> rather then an open wheeler.
>
> Things that make you go "hmmm....."
>

roughly 400+ horsepower, no wings and hard compound treaded cross-ply tyres
versus 700+ horsepower,downforce and soft compound slick tyres

steve