41 MPG city Fusion Hybrid more efficient than Camry Hybrid's 33 MPG

What is your point? The fact remains Ford, as well as several other
manufactures, outsell Honda


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
>> However, the fact is Ford sells far more vehicles to happy buyers than
>> does
>> Honda. LOL
>
> Yeah. So many, in fact, that Ford--contrary to previous reports--will
> need to be bailed out after all.
>
> I mean, business is SO good for Ford.
>

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:38:14 -0500, "Cathy F."
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> So who still wants a Prius?
>
>Me. It's a proven winner; until other vehicles hit its level of high marks
>from owners, I want a Prius.
>
>Cathy

You're in luck, there are plenty of Prii at the dealers...

SL

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> I, too, have had Honda own up to several design flaws over the last 30
> years, and have also had them be liberal in acknowledging when a part
> shouldn't have failed and they go ahead and cover the repair--even well
> out of warranty.
>
> But then, a good relationship with the dealership service department
> helps tremendously.
>

wow, that's some good drugs.

In theory, when you buy a car, the next time you see the dealership
should be to trade it in when you get tired of it, not every three
months so they can fix "design flaws."

Ray

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article <496b611c$1@kcnews01>,
> "C. E. White" > wrote:
>
>> And
>> honestly, are Hondas that sorry that they need to routinely fund
>> "goodwill" repairs?
>
> Hmmmmm. Well, when that doohickey goes out at 75K miles and costs
> $300
> to fix, and Honda knows it shouldn't have, they have a mechanism in
> place to address the situation.
>
> On the other hand, Honda knows which doohickeys are expected to be
> wear
> items and at what intervals, and doesn't hesitate to tell customers
> that
> they won't pay to fix it, that it's part of owning the car.
>
> Ford's mechanism is to tell the customer to **** off and go away,
> regardless.

The problem with your little theory is that Honda charged you extra
thousands up front to cover the possibility that you might come back
and complain about a $100 failure in four or five years. You are
paying for Honda to fix Honda's screw-ups down the road whether you
actually ever need the screws up fixed or not. Since I haven't had to
take a Ford back for "Customer Satisfaction" repair ever, I am
thousand and thousands ahead.

This is a thing I don't understand about Toyota and Honda buyers -
they are willing to pay thousands extra for a mediocre car because
they think the cars are especially reliable. No survey shows Toyotas
and Hondas as being significantly more reliable than domestic cars,
and certainly not enough more reliable to put up with crappy rides,
cramped cabins, high routine maintenance costs, and high initial
costs. Both of my Sisters and my SO own current model RAV4s. My SO's
son owns a current generation Civic. I own a Nissan Frontier and a
Mazda 3. None of them are bad cars, but none of them are so great I'd
pay thousands more for them than an equivalent domestic car. The RAV4s
are tribute to Toyota advertising. They are decent vehicles, but
wildly overpriced compared to an Escape. My younger sister owned an
Escape for 7 years and 100k miles. It was totaled in an accident (no
one was hurt). She never add any significant problems with the Escape
(one brake booster and one coolant level sensor). However, when she
had to buy the replacement, she didn't even look at the current model
Escape. She just bought a RAV4. She test drove nothing but the RAV4.
She didn't price anything but the RAV4. I was mystified. I understood
her trying the RAV4, I didn't understand not trying an Escape. I've
driven both, and the Escape is for more comfortable for me (I am
large). The Escape was quieter. The Escape rode better. The Escape had
better rear access. The Escape didn't have the spare tire mounted in a
stupid location. I could buy an Escape for at least $2k less with more
standard equipment. Arguably the best cars my younger Sister has owned
have been Fords (no doubt of the worst - a VW Passat). Yet, she only
considered the RAV4. Crazy - and I helped her. I know better than to
argue with my Sisters.

Ed

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article <496c8d89$1@kcnews01>,
> "C. E. White" > wrote:
>
>> This is a thing I don't understand about Toyota and Honda buyers -
>> they are willing to pay thousands extra for a mediocre car because
>> they think the cars are especially reliable.
>
> Maybe I'm happy to pay "thousands of dollars more" (um, not, but if
> you
> think so) for the privilege of knowing that if they screwed up, I'm
> taken care of.
>
> Or you could pay "thousands of dollars less" and KNOW that if they
> screwed up, you're not taken care of.

This is the sort of twisted logic that convinces me that some foreign
car buyers are idiots. You'll pay more for a car with built in
screw-ups, because later they'll use some of the extra money you paid
them to fix their screw-up AND you think you got a good deal.....Oh
what a feeling.

Like I said, I've never had to take a Ford back and ask for a Customer
Satisfaction repair...so why would I submit to Honda's up front
extortion so that if they later admitted they screwed up, they would
fix their screw up using the extra money I gave them up front?

You made a big deal about Ford transmissions in a prior post. In a
later post I see you are worried about your Honda automatic. Sort of
ironic don't you think? You are certainly forgiving of
Honda......sucker....

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-odyssey-2.htm
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0fa11e
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...213824441.html
http://www.hondacarforum.com/honda-2...-problems.html

Ed

"Dave D" > wrote in message
...
>

>
> Using your logic then, we should buy a Prius just because one idiot thinks
> its a good idea?
> DaveD


According to latest surveys, 93% of people who have bought or rented a Prius
are positive and
would do it again. That is pretty good customer satisfaction.

According to this morning's news, the new Prius hybrid gets 50 mpg. And
that is pretty fair
mileage.

You can buy whatever you want, and can afford. Not everybody has the same
needs and
goals.

On Jan 12, 6:54*am, "C. E. White" >
wrote:

>
> I get so tired of this crap. I've been around many Fords, GMs,
> Toyotas, and Nissans. The difference in reliability and longevity
> among them is trival.

It's generally true. Unless it's a fluke, no one these days really
makes too crappy a car.
I've plenty of good cars from both sides. I *still* own a 1968 F-250,
and also a 1974 F-100. Both still run just fine.
How many people still own and drive 68 Corollas, or Coronas,
or whatever they called them then.. Not that many..
I drove a 81 chevy monte carlo so long that I got tired of looking
at it, before it even though about going tits up.
I've driven newer Ford rent a cars fairly recently.
I drove a 07 Ford Taurus up to look at some land about 2 years
ago, and had to go through a very muddy, very rutted out road.
Had to floor it through the mud to keep from getting struck.
I got mud in places that I didn't know were possible.
I even got some mud in the trunk where it was oozing up from
the wiring harnesses.
But the car never missed a beat. So can't really complain.
I do presently own a Corolla, but that's mainly because
it got the best mpg out of all it's competitors, with maybe
the only other one close being the Civic.
I had my pick of many civics, and many corollas, and
went with the corolla, mainly because I liked the interior
better. I liked the exterior of the civic better, but I didn't
like the dark goth looking interior on the ones I looked
at. I have to live on the inside, so I went with the yota.
Chevy and Ford didn't have any cars that got quite as
good a mpg as the Corolla.
They had the focus, but it doesn't do quite as good on
gas as the corolla or civic.
So anyway, I didn't choose because of brand, or fear
of one crapping out before it's time. I chose the one
that did what I wanted it to do. If the Ford Focus got
better mpg than the Corolla, I probably would have
went that route.
Basically, I think all dealers suck. No matter what
brand.
But I don't care, because I don't buy new. Too much
depreciation just driving it off the lot.
I bought a 2 year old Corolla with 24k miles for $9200.00.
This is the car the day I bought it. Paid cash.
http://home.comcast.net/~disk100/05front.jpg
Other than doubling the miles, it still looks exactly
the same now. Well.. the tires have less tread..
Which was a good bit less than it's blue book value
at that time. "about $12.5k or so" .
Look at the current blue book.. I have 48k miles now,
and it's still worth about as much as I paid for it.
So I don't and won't pay "thousands more" for anything.
I think the #1 thing to ensure a long life with most cars
is to #1, not beat the shiite out of them, #2 do all the
maintenance on a regular basis.
I've never had a car of *any* brand fail me as long as
it wasn't whacked out before I bought it.
If a car is solid and good shape when I get it, I can
usually keep it that way for a long time, unless some
fluke of nature strikes.
And many of those were chevy's and fords.
With the Corolla, so far, so good. I've doubled the
miles since I bought it, and so far have not had anything
go wrong yet. But I'm sure many other brands are
capable of the same thing.
It's like some truck fanatics that prefer Fords, but
consider chevy as a piece of garbage. Some are
rabid in their beliefs..
Most of those have never even owned a chevy
truck.. :/ They just bitch about them because they
happen to drive a ford, and trashing other brands
is stylish.
I've had plenty of both, and both are quite capable of being
good trucks.

"Derek Gee" > wrote in message
g.com...
> "57states" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Buy a prius and make a fashion statement, oh so cool baby.
>
> They're the leading cause of smug, you know.

LMAO!

Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." -- Freeman Dyson

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:24:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:


>Most of those have never even owned a chevy
>truck.. :/ They just bitch about them because they
>happen to drive a ford, and trashing other brands
>is stylish.
>I've had plenty of both, and both are quite capable of being
>good trucks.
>
Agree with all you said except my son tells me the Ford trucks at the
lower level models have better front suspensions.
He's a GM guy, but works on many suspensions all day/every day.
I forgot since I don't care about trucks, but it was something about
struts not being able to carry a plow.
When he prefers anything Ford over GM I listen.

--Vic

wrote:
> On Jan 12, 6:54 am, "C. E. White" >
> wrote:
>
>> I get so tired of this crap. I've been around many Fords, GMs,
>> Toyotas, and Nissans. The difference in reliability and longevity
>> among them is trival.
>
> It's generally true. Unless it's a fluke, no one these days really
> makes too crappy a car.

I agree, cars iz cars. The most important thing about cars these days is
that the manufacturers seem to have figured out how to build them so
they don't rust. Otherwise, most any cars you get in the US will get you
where you want to. In that respect they're appliances. A lot of this US
vs Import stuff seems like what kind of toaster do you think is the
best. :-)