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Old December 7th 04, 05:47 AM
John Crichton
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Default Stainless Steel Exhaust System parts for Type 1 ?

I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it when
I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the time I
could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the $69.95 Earl
Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that my family and I
didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running around in those days).
Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA after I got to drive it for
a little over a year.

Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am in
the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a mid-60's
vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book for a
reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like many Bugs
the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering if there are
any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers that fabricate
these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I was working on my
first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the heater boxes tended to
be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It would seem logical to
fab these parts in stainless. I know that both of my late model
Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust systems.

What about it guys, do such beasts exist?
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Old December 7th 04, 04:09 PM
Raymond Lowe
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John Crichton wrote:
> I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
> first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
> needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it
> when I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the
> time I could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the
> $69.95 Earl Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that
> my family and I didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running
> around in those days). Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA
> after I got to drive it for a little over a year.
>
> Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am
> in the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a
> mid-60's vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book
> for a reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like
> many Bugs the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering
> if there are any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers
> that fabricate these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I
> was working on my first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the
> heater boxes tended to be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It
> would seem logical to fab these parts in stainless. I know that
> both of my late model Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust
> systems.
> What about it guys, do such beasts exist?


Not exactly. 99.9% of the VW buying public would be unwilling
to plunk down the kind of cash this would entail. Most of those
spending serious coin are into performance and I get the impression
you're referring to stock components.

A few vendors sell decent German muffler's and other exhaust pieces.
If you simply spent some hours on prep work with hi-heat paint or
have the components stripped and ceramic-coated (lots more $$$),
they would outlast the rest of the car.

But I know where you're coming from. I just took my Borla (T304
stainless) off my pickup after 8 years to do a clutch and it looks like
it would last another 10.


RT
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Old December 7th 04, 09:03 PM
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There are some vendors that offer stainless mufflers. But as far as I know none of them offer ones that will fit '74-up
so that doesn't do me any good since I have a '74. I do have stainless tail pipes though which are very worthwhile.
"John Crichton" > wrote in message news:EBatd.455385$wV.386276@attbi_s54...
> I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
> first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
> needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it when
> I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the time I
> could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the $69.95 Earl
> Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that my family and I
> didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running around in those days).
> Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA after I got to drive it for
> a little over a year.
>
> Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am in
> the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a mid-60's
> vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book for a
> reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like many Bugs
> the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering if there are
> any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers that fabricate
> these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I was working on my
> first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the heater boxes tended to
> be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It would seem logical to
> fab these parts in stainless. I know that both of my late model
> Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust systems.
>
> What about it guys, do such beasts exist?



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Old December 8th 04, 02:30 PM
John Crichton
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Ben Boyle wrote:
> There are some vendors that offer stainless mufflers. But as far as I know none of them offer ones that will fit '74-up
> so that doesn't do me any good since I have a '74. I do have stainless tail pipes though which are very worthwhile.
> "John Crichton" > wrote in message news:EBatd.455385$wV.386276@attbi_s54...
>
>>I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
>>first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
>>needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it when
>>I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the time I
>>could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the $69.95 Earl
>>Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that my family and I
>>didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running around in those days).
>> Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA after I got to drive it for
>>a little over a year.
>>
>>Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am in
>>the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a mid-60's
>>vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book for a
>>reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like many Bugs
>>the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering if there are
>>any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers that fabricate
>>these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I was working on my
>>first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the heater boxes tended to
>>be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It would seem logical to
>>fab these parts in stainless. I know that both of my late model
>>Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust systems.
>>
>>What about it guys, do such beasts exist?

>
>
>

Ben,

You say that there are some vendors that offer stainless steel mufflers
for per- '74 bugs. Do you have a name of anyone that sells then?

-Thanks

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Old December 8th 04, 02:41 PM
John Crichton
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Raymond Lowe wrote:

> John Crichton wrote:
>
>>I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
>>first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
>>needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it
>>when I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the
>>time I could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the
>>$69.95 Earl Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that
>>my family and I didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running
>> around in those days). Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA
>>after I got to drive it for a little over a year.
>>
>>Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am
>>in the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a
>>mid-60's vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book
>>for a reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like
>>many Bugs the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering
>>if there are any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers
>>that fabricate these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I
>>was working on my first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the
>>heater boxes tended to be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It
>>would seem logical to fab these parts in stainless. I know that
>>both of my late model Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust
>>systems.
>>What about it guys, do such beasts exist?

>
>
> Not exactly. 99.9% of the VW buying public would be unwilling
> to plunk down the kind of cash this would entail. Most of those
> spending serious coin are into performance and I get the impression
> you're referring to stock components.
>
> A few vendors sell decent German muffler's and other exhaust pieces.
> If you simply spent some hours on prep work with hi-heat paint or
> have the components stripped and ceramic-coated (lots more $$$),
> they would outlast the rest of the car.
>
> But I know where you're coming from. I just took my Borla (T304
> stainless) off my pickup after 8 years to do a clutch and it looks like
> it would last another 10.
>
>
> RT

Raymond,

You are correct that I am doing a pretty much stock restoration.

The thing is that fabricating something like a muffler or heater box out
of stainless versus mild steel really doesn't drive up the price that
much. You might get a 20% bump in material cost and then a slight cost
increase due to the fact that you have to replace your tools a bit more
often (stainless is harder than mild steel and will wear your tools
faster). I could see it increasing the cost of a finished product by
50% (which would include an increased profit margin). I would think
there would be lots of bug enthusiast would be happy to pay that for
parts that would lasts 4x longer. Maybe one day someone will offer this.

-Thanks
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Old December 8th 04, 03:09 PM
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I do have an older Mid America catalog here. Their website is www.800luvbugg.com
There are probalby others.
"John Crichton" > wrote in message news:slDtd.223340$R05.88772@attbi_s53...
> Ben Boyle wrote:
> > There are some vendors that offer stainless mufflers. But as far as I know none of them offer ones that will fit

'74-up
> > so that doesn't do me any good since I have a '74. I do have stainless tail pipes though which are very worthwhile.
> > "John Crichton" > wrote in message news:EBatd.455385$wV.386276@attbi_s54...
> >
> >>I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
> >>first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
> >>needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it when
> >>I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the time I
> >>could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the $69.95 Earl
> >>Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that my family and I
> >>didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running around in those days).
> >> Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA after I got to drive it for
> >>a little over a year.
> >>
> >>Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am in
> >>the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a mid-60's
> >>vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book for a
> >>reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like many Bugs
> >>the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering if there are
> >>any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers that fabricate
> >>these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I was working on my
> >>first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the heater boxes tended to
> >>be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It would seem logical to
> >>fab these parts in stainless. I know that both of my late model
> >>Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust systems.
> >>
> >>What about it guys, do such beasts exist?

> >
> >
> >

> Ben,
>
> You say that there are some vendors that offer stainless steel mufflers
> for per- '74 bugs. Do you have a name of anyone that sells then?
>
> -Thanks
>



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Old December 9th 04, 01:34 AM
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They just mentioned these guys http://www.mrwob.com/ in the Feb 05 VW
Trends , looks a nice product - George

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Old December 9th 04, 01:54 AM
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http://www.mrwob.com/

John Crichton wrote:
> I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
> first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
> needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it when
> I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the time I
> could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the $69.95 Earl
> Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that my family and I
> didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running around in those days).
> Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA after I got to drive it for
> a little over a year.
>
> Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am in
> the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a mid-60's
> vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book for a
> reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like many Bugs
> the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering if there are
> any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers that fabricate
> these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I was working on my
> first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the heater boxes tended to
> be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It would seem logical to
> fab these parts in stainless. I know that both of my late model
> Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust systems.
>
> What about it guys, do such beasts exist?


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Old December 9th 04, 01:57 AM
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http://www.mrwob.com/

John Crichton wrote:

> I am getting back into the VW Bug world after a 20 year hiatus. My
> first car was a 64 Bug (with sunroof) that I bought for ** $40 ** that
> needless to say was a bit of a fixer-upper. Good thing I bought it when
> I was 14 so I had time to fix it up and get it running by the time I
> could legally drive it. It came out pretty nice, even the $69.95 Earl
> Scheib paint job looked pretty good (did I mention that my family and I
> didn't exactly have a lot of excess cash running around in those days).
> Unfortunately the car was totaled in a MVA after I got to drive it for
> a little over a year.
>
> Now that I am all grown up and have a bit more dough to pay with I am in
> the process of building a garage so I can do a restoration on a mid-60's
> vintage bug (I knew I hung on to my John Muir "Idiot" book for a
> reason). I'm looking at a car that is in fair shape, but like many Bugs
> the heater boxes and muffler are hopeless. I am wondering if there are
> any after market makers of heater boxes and mufflers that fabricate
> these parts in stainless steel. I know that when I was working on my
> first car and some of my friend's Bugs that the heater boxes tended to
> be trouble spots due to rust and corrosion. It would seem logical to
> fab these parts in stainless. I know that both of my late model
> Japanese cars have all stainless exhaust systems.
>
> What about it guys, do such beasts exist?


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Old December 9th 04, 06:13 AM
John Crichton
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Still in Primer wrote:
> They just mentioned these guys http://www.mrwob.com/ in the Feb 05 VW
> Trends , looks a nice product - George
>

Thanks for the info. It's fairly close to what I want. Ideally what I
would like to buy is a completely stock muffler and heater boxes that
are fabricated from stainless steel. The muffler on that website is
"stockish" though I didn't see any place to connect the pre-heater hose.
I'm thinking of getting a powder coating gun and building a powder
coating oven to go with it. There are some metallic/ceramic coatings
that are applied and cured more are less like a normal powder coat.
Some of these coatings are said to be good for as much as 1100 degrees
F. Maybe I'll just buy a good German set of heater boxes and muffler
and sand/media blast them and use this metallic/ceramic stuff on them.
It would have to be better than the gray primer that normally comes on
these things.
 




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