save on gas big time and it is FREE

Texas panhandle now. I was in New Mexico for most of the 55 limit
days. Texas even passed a law that a ticket for 25 or less over the
limit wasn't 'speeding,' it was just 'wasting energy.' You still had
to pay, but it didn't go on your driving record. You folks in the more
populous areas of the country have no idea how tough it is to drive
Amarillo to Albuquerque at 55MPH!

On May 28, 7:25�am, philthy > wrote:
> really !were are you at? i know in michigan there is some long flat freeways and i used
> to go from southern michigan to the the northern part *were my cabin is, at 55 and it
> added 20 minutes to the trip but kept fuel useage to a 1/4 tank with a bike in the bed
> and when the gas was 1.25 *i would take my grand marquies and it would make the 172 mile
> trip on 7 bucs
>

Doesn't resistance rise as the square of the velocity?

Yes, just found it.
http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=858

DAS

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"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
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[...]
You
> don't really feel the wind much up to 55Mph, but start going much
> above that and you really feel it. I'd guesstimate it takes twice the
> strength to hold on to the handlebars at 65Mph as at 55Mph, but it
> definitely does not take twice the strength to hold on to the bars at
> 55Mph as it does at 45Mph. If I want to go much above 80 I have
> to tuck down, or I won't have good enough control over the bike.
>
> Ted
>
>

That's right. You can also see the whole drag coefficient equation he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient

Speed has a greater-than-proportional effect on fuel economy. It's
significant. Not nearly as significant as carpooling, though. You can
triple your gas mileage just by taking two other guys with you to work,
driving as fast as you want to.

"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> Doesn't resistance rise as the square of the velocity?
>
> Yes, just found it.
> http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=858
>
> DAS
>
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> ---
> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
> ...
> [...]
> You
>> don't really feel the wind much up to 55Mph, but start going much
>> above that and you really feel it. I'd guesstimate it takes twice the
>> strength to hold on to the handlebars at 65Mph as at 55Mph, but it
>> definitely does not take twice the strength to hold on to the bars at
>> 55Mph as it does at 45Mph. If I want to go much above 80 I have
>> to tuck down, or I won't have good enough control over the bike.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>
>

Joe wrote:
> That's right. You can also see the whole drag coefficient equation he
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient
>
> Speed has a greater-than-proportional effect on fuel economy. It's
> significant. Not nearly as significant as carpooling, though. You can
> triple your gas mileage just by taking two other guys with you to work,
> driving as fast as you want to.
>


My brother in law used to carpool with a good friend, 45 minutes each
way. They would drive my brother in law's Corolla one week and his
friend's International Scout the next. They didn't complain about gas
mileage because they were saving so much money. I'm sure it was nice
having somebody to talk to for almost an hour, too.

"philthy" > wrote in message
...
> hey ted i used to ride my honda xr 350on the frozen lakes and it's speedo
> went to 110
> ever do a 100 on a bike,

Yes, not regularly, though.

> hoollly smokes talk about having to hold on to the
> bars

You have to work up to it. Do a few months of freeway
riding and your arms will get a lot stronger, then it's doable.
But, it isn't safe unless you have fine grained control and you
won't get that unless your tucked down.

Ted

my arms are plenty steon since i have been wrenching for 25 years and raced mx
35 years

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> "philthy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > hey ted i used to ride my honda xr 350on the frozen lakes and it's speedo
> > went to 110
> > ever do a 100 on a bike,
>
> Yes, not regularly, though.
>
> > hoollly smokes talk about having to hold on to the
> > bars
>
> You have to work up to it. Do a few months of freeway
> riding and your arms will get a lot stronger, then it's doable.
> But, it isn't safe unless you have fine grained control and you
> won't get that unless your tucked down.
>
> Ted

Car-pooling waas/is well-developed in some countries, for non-commuters.

When I lived in Hamburg (Germany, that is) in the early eighties I used to
travel to Berlin sometimes. Through a car-sharing organisation I would
sometimes carry paying passengers, who made a useful contribution to my trip
costs. They may not even have had a car.

DAS

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"Robert Reynolds" > wrote in message
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[...]
>
> My brother in law used to carpool with a good friend, 45 minutes each way.
> They would drive my brother in law's Corolla one week and his friend's
> International Scout the next. They didn't complain about gas mileage
> because they were saving so much money. I'm sure it was nice having
> somebody to talk to for almost an hour, too.

In Australia a few decades ago the insurance companies treated even car
pooling as a case of "...for profit or reward" (or some such wording;
i.e., when B gives A a ride in exchange for A having given B a ride, A
is receiving a reward) and insisted that the car owner would have to pay
insurance premiums as though (s)he were running a taxi service. I don't
know whether things have changed there since I left.

Perce

On 05/31/07 02:57 pm Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

> Car-pooling was/is well-developed in some countries, for non-commuters.
>
> When I lived in Hamburg (Germany, that is) in the early eighties I used to
> travel to Berlin sometimes. Through a car-sharing organisation I would
> sometimes carry paying passengers, who made a useful contribution to my trip
> costs. They may not even have had a car.

Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

> Car-pooling waas/is well-developed in some countries, for non-commuters.
>
> When I lived in Hamburg (Germany, that is) in the early eighties I used to
> travel to Berlin sometimes. Through a car-sharing organisation I would
> sometimes carry paying passengers, who made a useful contribution to my trip
> costs. They may not even have had a car.

Just curious, Dori - at what point would the German gov't consider you a
taxi service and require you to get a business/taxi license?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Well, here in the States, our level of denial is such that email chain
letters are being forwarded around with stupid schemes like "let's stick it
to the oil companies by not buying any gas on July 13th" or some other kind
of rot. "Send this to everybody you know!" I haven't seen any emails
saying "let's stick it to the oil companies! Ride your bike to work for the
next 20 years! Buy a small car the next 15 times you need a car! That'll
show 'em! Forward this to everybody you know!"

So this thread is a bright spot. It even started out suggesting something
that actually works.

I've had college-educated people tell me that "They just know" that GM and
Ford are in some conspiracy with Exxon and Chevron to make sure a new pickup
gets only 12 mpg. It alarms me just how stupid people are about certain
subjects.

"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> Car-pooling waas/is well-developed in some countries, for non-commuters.
>
> When I lived in Hamburg (Germany, that is) in the early eighties I used
> to travel to Berlin sometimes. Through a car-sharing organisation I would
> sometimes carry paying passengers, who made a useful contribution to my
> trip costs. They may not even have had a car.
>
> DAS
>
> For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
> ---
> "Robert Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> [...]
>>
>> My brother in law used to carpool with a good friend, 45 minutes each
>> way. They would drive my brother in law's Corolla one week and his
>> friend's International Scout the next. They didn't complain about gas
>> mileage because they were saving so much money. I'm sure it was nice
>> having somebody to talk to for almost an hour, too.
>
>