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It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
There are lots of great statistics at the Government CAFE web site. Lots of compiled data on cars going back to 1977 (and some even older.) One interesting trend tracked is the percentage of automobiles with automatic transmissions. In 1977, 84.1% of all new cars had AT. Under pressure of demands for improved fuel economy and increasing consumer preference for import cars, that number dropped to 75.0% in 1987. Then imports went upscale, ATs became more sophisticated and fuel got cheap. By 2002, 88.5% of new cars had only two pedals and the imminent demise of the manual transmission was widely predicted. Then something funny happened. There were rumors of rebellion in the ranks and increased reports of drivers demanding control of the gear ratios. In 2003, the percentage of cars sold with automatics dropped precipitously to 82.4%. The CAFE site is now reporting a further drop in 2004 with the lowest percentage of AT's since 1991, 79.6%. That means that the number of cars sold with manual transmissions increased 77% in only two years and a clutch is now found in one of every five new cars. In terms of sales, this trend actually surpasses the much touted return of rear wheel drive and the movement is broad based. While keeping in mind that the politics of fuel economy can skew the definitions pretty badly, the trend is apparent in domestics, Asian and European imports. All are selling manual transmissions at levels that haven't been seen in a decade. Almost half of all European cars are now shifters, the highest rate since 1988. Will this be a long lasting trend or a brief flash? It is still too early to tell but it certainly shows that the old MT is going to be harder to kill than it once appeared. The auto companies have now learned that there is a solid base of buyers who prefer to shift for themselves and the increased availability of this option is sure to follow. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...erCarFleet.htm |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:05:51 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie
> wrote: >In article >, > (Gordon McGrew) wrote: > >> There are lots of great statistics at the Government CAFE web site. >> Lots of compiled data on cars going back to 1977 (and some even >> older.) One interesting trend tracked is the percentage of >> automobiles with automatic transmissions. >> >> In 1977, 84.1% of all new cars had AT. Under pressure of demands for >> improved fuel economy and increasing consumer preference for import >> cars, that number dropped to 75.0% in 1987. Then imports went >> upscale, ATs became more sophisticated and fuel got cheap. By 2002, >> 88.5% of new cars had only two pedals and the imminent demise of the >> manual transmission was widely predicted. >> >> Then something funny happened. There were rumors of rebellion in the >> ranks and increased reports of drivers demanding control of the gear >> ratios. In 2003, the percentage of cars sold with automatics dropped >> precipitously to 82.4%. The CAFE site is now reporting a further drop >> in 2004 with the lowest percentage of AT's since 1991, 79.6%. That >> means that the number of cars sold with manual transmissions increased >> 77% in only two years and a clutch is now found in one of every five >> new cars. >> >> In terms of sales, this trend actually surpasses the much touted >> return of rear wheel drive and the movement is broad based. While >> keeping in mind that the politics of fuel economy can skew the >> definitions pretty badly, the trend is apparent in domestics, Asian >> and European imports. All are selling manual transmissions at levels >> that haven't been seen in a decade. Almost half of all European cars >> are now shifters, the highest rate since 1988. >> >> Will this be a long lasting trend or a brief flash? It is still too >> early to tell but it certainly shows that the old MT is going to be >> harder to kill than it once appeared. The auto companies have now >> learned that there is a solid base of buyers who prefer to shift for >> themselves and the increased availability of this option is sure to >> follow. >> >> >> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...erCarFleet.htm > >On the other hand, you can't have hybrid gas/electric with MT. Sure you can. Both the Civic and Insight hybrid models are available with MT. Accord hybrid comes only with AT for now, but you can get an MT on your V6 Accord now so it isn't implausible that the hybrid may get it eventually. > It's >kind of a bummer because I like responsiveness of manuals but the >milage*power level is falling behind some automatics. Regenerative >braking, continuous gear ratios, ultra-lean burn, and cylinder bypassing >need to be coordinated with an AT. The decision was much more clear-cut >a few years ago when you chose between a peppy 5-speed manual or a >sluggish 3-speed automatic. Now cars like the Accord Hybrid make the >decision tough. > >If we get fuel cells in marketable condition there may not be multiple >gears anymore. You'll just have a knob to select how much regenerative >braking you want when you take your foot off the throttle. Crank up >regenerative braking and you'd have lightning fast response to throttle >changes. I think that it will be a long time before fuel cell cars are any more than a curiosity. |
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"Gordon McGrew" > wrote in message ... > > > There are lots of great statistics at the Government CAFE web site. > Lots of compiled data on cars going back to 1977 (and some even > older.) One interesting trend tracked is the percentage of > automobiles with automatic transmissions. > > In 1977, 84.1% of all new cars had AT. Under pressure of demands for > improved fuel economy and increasing consumer preference for import > cars, that number dropped to 75.0% in 1987. Then imports went > upscale, ATs became more sophisticated and fuel got cheap. By 2002, > 88.5% of new cars had only two pedals and the imminent demise of the > manual transmission was widely predicted. > > Then something funny happened. There were rumors of rebellion in the > ranks and increased reports of drivers demanding control of the gear > ratios. In 2003, the percentage of cars sold with automatics dropped > precipitously to 82.4%. The CAFE site is now reporting a further drop > in 2004 with the lowest percentage of AT's since 1991, 79.6%. That > means that the number of cars sold with manual transmissions increased > 77% in only two years and a clutch is now found in one of every five > new cars. > > In terms of sales, this trend actually surpasses the much touted > return of rear wheel drive and the movement is broad based. While > keeping in mind that the politics of fuel economy can skew the > definitions pretty badly, the trend is apparent in domestics, Asian > and European imports. All are selling manual transmissions at levels > that haven't been seen in a decade. Almost half of all European cars > are now shifters, the highest rate since 1988. > > Will this be a long lasting trend or a brief flash? It is still too > early to tell but it certainly shows that the old MT is going to be > harder to kill than it once appeared. The auto companies have now > learned that there is a solid base of buyers who prefer to shift for > themselves and the increased availability of this option is sure to > follow. > > > http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...erCarFleet.htm > > Well, now the trend is to have both manual and auto trannies on the same car which is called million different names such as autostick, tiptronic, easytronic, multimod manual, activeselect or whatever... and all range of cars started to have this kind of transmission.. from cheap econobox such as Toyota Yaris 1.0 liter to expensive cars like MB and BMW. I just bought a 1.2 liter Opel Corsa with Easytronic transmission. It has 5 forward gears and you can shift the gears manualy if you want and it gets considerably better gas mielage compared to the same car with stick shift (6.8 liters / 100 kms in city versus 7.8 liters / 100 kms in city driving). Ahmet Turkey |
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> Well, now the trend is to have both manual and auto trannies on the same car > which is called million different names such as autostick, tiptronic, > easytronic, multimod manual, activeselect or whatever... of course, i didn't mean that these cars have 2 transmissions...just one with with the capabilities of both both manual and auto transmission... ahmet |
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In article >, "dragon" > wrote:
>> > >> Well, now the trend is to have both manual and auto trannies on the same >car >> which is called million different names such as autostick, tiptronic, >> easytronic, multimod manual, activeselect or whatever... > >of course, i didn't mean that these cars have 2 transmissions...just one >with with the capabilities of both both manual and auto transmission... Yes, I wonder how they (NHTSA) are defining "manual". Some of the ones you listed are typical torque converter ("slushboxes") where they just add a manual shifting mode. Others have actual manual trannies, just with an electronic clutch, ex: BMW's SMG. I believe your "Easytronic" is the latter? I wonder how many folk who buy the tiptronic type actually manually shift. When I've driven those, I get tired of the novelty in the first drive and just end out driving them like every other automatic. |
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
... > In article >, > Kevin McMurtrie > wrote: > >> On the other hand, you can't have hybrid gas/electric with MT. > > shhhhhhh......don't tell Honda, who sells them by the boatload with > manual transmissions..... > It's the Toyota system as used in the Prius and Ford Escape that can't have a manual; in fact, it can't have any transmission at all. It has an "electronic cvt" that is really just a pair of motor/generators in a differential arrangement with the gas engine... there is no place to put a transmission in the power train. If it were called a "virtual cvt" it would be less confusing. Honda's IMA (integrated motor assist) works fine with a manual; Toyotas SHS (synergy hybrid system) could never have one, if only because the driver has no control over whether the engine is even running. Mike |
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"Gordon McGrew" > wrote in message ... > > > There are lots of great statistics at the Government CAFE web site. > Lots of compiled data on cars going back to 1977 (and some even > older.) One interesting trend tracked is the percentage of > automobiles with automatic transmissions. > > In 1977, 84.1% of all new cars had AT. Under pressure of demands for > improved fuel economy and increasing consumer preference for import > cars, that number dropped to 75.0% in 1987. Then imports went > upscale, ATs became more sophisticated and fuel got cheap. By 2002, > 88.5% of new cars had only two pedals and the imminent demise of the > manual transmission was widely predicted. > > Then something funny happened. There were rumors of rebellion in the > ranks and increased reports of drivers demanding control of the gear > ratios. In 2003, the percentage of cars sold with automatics dropped > precipitously to 82.4%. The CAFE site is now reporting a further drop > in 2004 with the lowest percentage of AT's since 1991, 79.6%. That > means that the number of cars sold with manual transmissions increased > 77% in only two years and a clutch is now found in one of every five > new cars. > > In terms of sales, this trend actually surpasses the much touted > return of rear wheel drive and the movement is broad based. While > keeping in mind that the politics of fuel economy can skew the > definitions pretty badly, the trend is apparent in domestics, Asian > and European imports. All are selling manual transmissions at levels > that haven't been seen in a decade. Almost half of all European cars > are now shifters, the highest rate since 1988. > > Will this be a long lasting trend or a brief flash? It is still too > early to tell but it certainly shows that the old MT is going to be > harder to kill than it once appeared. The auto companies have now > learned that there is a solid base of buyers who prefer to shift for > themselves and the increased availability of this option is sure to > follow. > > > http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...erCarFleet.htm I wish they'd put a MT in the 4 door accord V6. |
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"Dave" > wrote in message .. . > In article >, "dragon" > wrote: > >> > > >> Well, now the trend is to have both manual and auto trannies on the same > >car > >> which is called million different names such as autostick, tiptronic, > >> easytronic, multimod manual, activeselect or whatever... > > > >of course, i didn't mean that these cars have 2 transmissions...just one > >with with the capabilities of both both manual and auto transmission... > > Yes, I wonder how they (NHTSA) are defining "manual". Some of the > ones you listed are typical torque converter ("slushboxes") where > they just add a manual shifting mode. Others have actual manual > trannies, just with an electronic clutch, ex: BMW's SMG. I > believe your "Easytronic" is the latter? > I think you are correct.. Opel calls it a clutchless automatic or semi automatic. When it shifts the gear, it is not as smooth as normal automatics..You definitely feel it. a slight pause and the shift. if you take your foot off of the gas pedal slightly, it shifts easier or less noticeably. It also moves backward when you are on a very slight incline and your foot is not on the brake just like regular 5 speeds. > I wonder how many folk who buy the tiptronic type actually > manually shift. When I've driven those, I get tired of the > novelty in the first drive and just end out driving them like > every other automatic. Well., same here too..first couple of times I stole the car from my wife, I shifted myself and got tired of it and quit... ahmet |
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In article >, "Michael Pardee" > wrote:
>It's the Toyota system as used in the Prius and Ford Escape that can't have >a manual; in fact, it can't have any transmission at all. It has an >"electronic cvt" that is really just a pair of motor/generators in a >differential arrangement with the gas engine... there is no place to put a >transmission in the power train. If it were called a "virtual cvt" it would >be less confusing. Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "transmission", but I'd definitely say they have one! They have a set of planetary gears (which automatic transmissions also use). And yes, as you wrote, motor/generator is used to modify the gear ratio between the ICE and the driveshaft, as well as supply torque. |
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