289 or a big block?

Spike wrote:

A used car lot right down the street did have a Viper.
> Just not enough room for the family and luggage. The local Indian
> casino bought it and gave it away as a bingo prize. Probably won by
> some blue haired little ol' lady who was bussed in from the
retirement
> home.

But parked in her rickety old garage
Is a brand new shiny red super-stock Dodge.

And everybody's saying there's nobody meaner
Than the little old lady from pasadena
She drives real fast and she drives real hard
She's a terror out on colorado boulevard

It's the little old lady from pasadena

-- Jan Berry, 1964

180 Out

I agree, 351W stroked to 427ci, or 393ci (budget depending). I think a
full engine with afr heads was advertised in the last mustang monthly
for about 8k USD, assembled, and dynoed. Seems like lots of cash, but
not bad when you consider all new parts and a quality machining ; 8k
comes pretty quick...

Altho I have to say that I have not done a 351w stroker yet. I did a
347 a while back using a probe kit. Easy as pie once you have all the
pieces.

I also agree with the leaving the 289 block intact. Find a junkyard
351w (aka 'seasoned') block and build up from there. A good 351 truck
block that has not been bored will have been through enough temp cycles
to make it strong (or it would likely have broken already).

66 6F HCS wrote:
> "Spike" > wrote
>
>>It has been suggested in some circles to do a 347 stroker kit with the
>>289 rather than a total swap.
>
>
> If the 289 is a good solid builder block, I wouldn't turn it into a stroker.
> Good 289 blocks are impossible to find these days. Most are bored to hell,
> cracked, or rusted beyond belief. If you want a sleeper motor, then drop in
> a stroker 351W. Take it out to 427 and it'll still bolt right in. BB
> displacement from a SB. Or you can run a more economical stroker 351 like I
> did. 393 stroker- the only part that isn't bone stock is the crankshaft. You
> use the original 351 rods and use 302 pistons. I saved over $1k by doing it
> this way.

I have that LP. Bought it new when it was first released. Back when we
used to go sidewalk surfin' and hit the nicest people with a Honda....
errrr... met the nicest people on a Honda....

Now, I'm replacing all the old LP's and cassettes with CDs the way I
did with my 8 Track collection when 8 Tracks died.

And I'm just as apt to listen to Dr Hook....

Come on babies
grease yer lips
grab yer hats
and swing your hips
an' don't forget
to bring yer whips
we're going to the Freakers Ball

However, I did pick up a really nice Beachboys anthology set....
just for old time sake... : )

On 16 May 2005 18:24:16 -0700, wrote:

>
>Spike wrote:
>
>A used car lot right down the street did have a Viper.
>> Just not enough room for the family and luggage. The local Indian
>> casino bought it and gave it away as a bingo prize. Probably won by
>> some blue haired little ol' lady who was bussed in from the
>retirement
>> home.
>
>But parked in her rickety old garage
>Is a brand new shiny red super-stock Dodge.
>
>And everybody's saying there's nobody meaner
>Than the little old lady from pasadena
>She drives real fast and she drives real hard
>She's a terror out on colorado boulevard
>
>It's the little old lady from pasadena
>
>-- Jan Berry, 1964
>
>180 Out

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1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

wrote:
>
> I agree, 351W stroked to 427ci, or 393ci (budget depending). I think
> a full engine with afr heads was advertised in the last mustang monthly
> for about 8k USD, assembled, and dynoed. Seems like lots of cash, but
> not bad when you consider all new parts and a quality machining ; 8k
> comes pretty quick...
>
> Altho I have to say that I have not done a 351w stroker yet. I did a
> 347 a while back using a probe kit. Easy as pie once you have all the
> pieces.
>
> I also agree with the leaving the 289 block intact. Find a junkyard
> 351w (aka 'seasoned') block and build up from there. A good 351 truck
> block that has not been bored will have been through enough temp cycles
> to make it strong (or it would likely have broken already).

The Ford 393 crate motor is a heck of a deal. You
won't get that kind of quality at a cheaper price anywhere.

I purchased my 427W short block from PAW. Some
assembly required. Good price, excellent machine work,
quality parts, and no surprises.

Coast High is probably a better product, but at a
higher price (as you would expect). If I was building
a race motor, that's what I would have used.


..boB
1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged!
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1966 FFR Cobra - Ongoing project

Does the FRPP engine come balanced? And I mean a real balance, not the
factory 'get it mostly close' balance. Even if it didnt, I suppose you
could disassemble and send out for a balance at a local quality shop.

..boB wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree, 351W stroked to 427ci, or 393ci (budget depending). I
>> think a full engine with afr heads was advertised in the last mustang
>> monthly for about 8k USD, assembled, and dynoed. Seems like lots of
>> cash, but not bad when you consider all new parts and a quality
>> machining ; 8k comes pretty quick...
>>
>> Altho I have to say that I have not done a 351w stroker yet. I did
>> a 347 a while back using a probe kit. Easy as pie once you have all
>> the pieces.
>>
>> I also agree with the leaving the 289 block intact. Find a
>> junkyard 351w (aka 'seasoned') block and build up from there. A good
>> 351 truck block that has not been bored will have been through enough
>> temp cycles to make it strong (or it would likely have broken already).
>
>
> The Ford 393 crate motor is a heck of a deal. You won't get that
> kind of quality at a cheaper price anywhere.
>
> I purchased my 427W short block from PAW. Some assembly required.
> Good price, excellent machine work, quality parts, and no surprises.
>
> Coast High is probably a better product, but at a higher price (as
> you would expect). If I was building a race motor, that's what I would
> have used.
>
>
> .boB
> 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged!
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1966 FFR Cobra - Ongoing project
>

wrote:

>
> Does the FRPP engine come balanced? And I mean a real balance, not
> the factory 'get it mostly close' balance. Even if it didnt, I suppose
> you could disassemble and send out for a balance at a local quality shop.

They say it is balanced to a pretty tight
tolerance, but can't remember exactly what that is.
--
..boB
1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged!
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1966 FFR Cobra - Ongoing project

".boB" > wrote
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does the FRPP engine come balanced? And I mean a real balance, not
>> the factory 'get it mostly close' balance. Even if it didnt, I suppose
>> you could disassemble and send out for a balance at a local quality shop.
>
> They say it is balanced to a pretty tight tolerance, but can't remember
> exactly what that is.

Even the 392/393 stroker would scatter itself in short order without a
balance. I know. You should see the flywheel for mine. Holy Crap!!! I've
never seen so much weight before.
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/

That makes sense. I know that some of the FRPP stuff (5.0 replacement
shortblocks) don't have a true balance job. They get the reciprocating
assembly components very close, but not nearly as accurate as a
precision balance.

I have taken original 5.0's apart for a re-ring and had the
reciprocating assembly sent out for balance and the con rods (most of em
anyways) and crank always come back with some material removed. The
shops I use always provide me with a 'report card' for the balance results.

66 6F HCS wrote:

> ".boB" > wrote
>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does the FRPP engine come balanced? And I mean a real balance, not
>>>the factory 'get it mostly close' balance. Even if it didnt, I suppose
>>>you could disassemble and send out for a balance at a local quality shop.
>>
>> They say it is balanced to a pretty tight tolerance, but can't remember
>>exactly what that is.
>
>
> Even the 392/393 stroker would scatter itself in short order without a
> balance. I know. You should see the flywheel for mine. Holy Crap!!! I've
> never seen so much weight before.