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  #121  
Old September 27th 04, 03:55 AM
Steve Grauman
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>no thanx...........I'd rather just not believe you.

That's because you feel inadequate, isn't it? I'm sorry. =*(
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  #122  
Old September 27th 04, 04:44 AM
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Ummm............. no.......................but it's just not likely that a
21 year old has driven that many cars. Unless you're a valet.....and that
not really driving them.


"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> >no thanx...........I'd rather just not believe you.

>
> That's because you feel inadequate, isn't it? I'm sorry. =*(
> Steve Grauman



  #123  
Old September 27th 04, 06:06 AM
Steve Grauman
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>but it's just not likely that a
>21 year old has driven that many cars.


Like I said, I can explain how I drove ANY of them. Just ask and I can tell
you. Moreover, as I've said several times, most of those cars belonged to
family members of friends of the family. The 3 Q45s belonged to an uncle and
grandfather. The 3 Jags belonged to an uncle and grandfather as well. Most of
the MBs I drove belonged to my dad's dad. And a few of them even belonged to my
parents. It's not a bull**** claim, and I can tell you how and where I drove
any of them.
Steve Grauman
  #124  
Old September 27th 04, 05:28 PM
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Hardly any of those cars can do 0-100kph in under 7 seconds... some can do
it in the 7 second range tho.

1. Volkswagen Golf 2.0 NO
2. Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 NO
3. Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T Almost
4. Volkswagen Passat 1.8T NO
5. Volkswagen Passat W8 Probably
6. Volkswagen Toureag V8 Doubt it
7. Volkswagen Golf-GTi 1.8T (mine) Unless you've worked on it no
8. Audi A4 2.8 (B5) Doubt it
9. Audi A4 3.0 (B6) Doubt it
10. Audi A4 Avant 1.8T (B6) In your dreams
11. Audi S4 2.7T (B5) Hell yah i'll believe this one
12. Porsche Cayenne Not the V6 anyways
13. Porsche 911 SC Targa Depends on age
14. Porsche 944 Turbo Doubt it.. it's kinda old
15. Porsche 928 GT Maybe, kinda a heacy Porsche tho
16. GMC Yukon Denali NO
17. GMC Sierra Denali pickup NO
18. GMC Sierra w/ 5300 motor NO
19. Ford Expedition, Eddie Bauer w/ Triton 5.4 NO
20. Lincoln Navigator NO
21. Lincoln Avaiator NO
22. Ford Explorer (V6s and V8s, in two different generations) NO
23. Ford F-150 Larait 5.4 NO
24. Ford F-150 Harley Davidson Edition NO
25. Chevrolet Avalanche 1500 NO
26. Chevrolet Impala SS (1996) Maybe, but I doubt it
27. Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 Hell NO
28. Pontiac Grand AM V6 NO
27. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (2000&2004) NO
29. Honda Accord (I4 and V6, 3 different generations) NO
30. Honda Pilot NO
31. Honda Passport (aka - Isuzu Rodeo) NO
32. Acura MDX NO
33. Acura TL & CL TypeS (two different versions of the CL) NO
34. Jagaur XJ8 (two different versions) Quite possibly
35. Jaguar XJR Probably
36. Honda Civic Si (two different versions) NO
37. Acura Integra GS-R (sedan) NO
38. Acura RSX Type-S Comes close probably
39. Ford SVT Focus 3-door NO
40. Ford SVT Contour NO
41. Toyota Camry (2 different generations, V6s) NO
42. Lexus RX300 NO
43. Lexus RX330 NO
44. Lexus IS300 sedan 7 sec range i'd say
45. Lexus GS300 NO
46. Infiniti Q45 (3 different versions) NO
47. Infiniti G20 HAHAHA No
48. Infiniti G35, coupe and sedan I'd think so
49. Infiniti I30 NO
50. Infiniti I35 Maybe
51. Mercedes Benz C320 NO
52. Mercedes Benz SL500 Yes, hopefully
53. Mercedes Benz S-class diesel (late 70s vintage) NO
54. Mercedes Benz 500SEC (1990) Probably
55. Mercedes Benz ML500 NO
56. BMW X3 3.0 NO
57. BMW X5 3.0 NO
58. BMW X5 3.0 NO
59. BMW X5 4.4i NO
60. Chevrolet Corvette (C4) Yes
61. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) Yes
62. Toyota 4Runner SR5, Sport Edition (2003, V6 and V8) NO
63. Toyota Seqioa NO
66. GMC Envoy/Chevrolet Trailblazer NO
67. Volkswagen Beetle TDi (90Hp) NO
68. Volkswagen Jetta TDi (90Hp) NO
69. Volkswagen Karmann Ghia IN A WEEKEND... MAYBE not in 6-7 seconds
70. Volkswagen "Super" Beetle HAHAHAHA Super meant MacPherson struts and
like 5 more Hp but still NO

Practically none of these cars can do 0-60mph in under 7 seconds, some are
close... but morel like the low 7-8 range... most of these cars will do it
in the 8-10 second range.

These are all pretty average cars... even those Porsches, while once they
were fast by todays standards the 944 and 928 aren't super quick to
100kph... Tho they are still amazing machines. The 911, you didn't say how
old it is, the news ones can do it for sure.

I'd say the fastest car you have "driven" is the Z06 Vette.
"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> >Well just for fun, how about you list every car you have driven and
>>why in the last 5 years.

>
> Sure. =)
>
> 1. Volkswagen Golf 2.0
> 2. Volkswagen Jetta 2.0
> 3. Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T
> 4. Volkswagen Passat 1.8T
> 5. Volkswagen Passat W8
> 6. Volkswagen Toureag V8
> 7. Volkswagen Golf-GTi 1.8T (mine)
> 8. Audi A4 2.8 (B5)
> 9. Audi A4 3.0 (B6)
> 10. Audi A4 Avant 1.8T (B6)
> 11. Audi S4 2.7T (B5)
> 12. Porsche Cayenne
> 13. Porsche 911 SC Targa
> 14. Porsche 944 Turbo
> 15. Porsche 928 GT
> 16. GMC Yukon Denali
> 17. GMC Sierra Denali pickup
> 18. GMC Sierra w/ 5300 motor
> 19. Ford Expedition, Eddie Bauer w/ Triton 5.4
> 20. Lincoln Navigator
> 21. Lincoln Avaiator
> 22. Ford Explorer (V6s and V8s, in two different generations)
> 23. Ford F-150 Larait 5.4
> 24. Ford F-150 Harley Davidson Edition
> 25. Chevrolet Avalanche 1500
> 26. Chevrolet Impala SS (1996)
> 27. Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
> 28. Pontiac Grand AM V6
> 27. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (2000&2004)
> 29. Honda Accord (I4 and V6, 3 different generations)
> 30. Honda Pilot
> 31. Honda Passport (aka - Isuzu Rodeo)
> 32. Acura MDX
> 33. Acura TL & CL TypeS (two different versions of the CL)
> 34. Jagaur XJ8 (two different versions)
> 35. Jaguar XJR
> 36. Honda Civic Si (two different versions)
> 37. Acura Integra GS-R (sedan)
> 38. Acura RSX Type-S
> 39. Ford SVT Focus 3-door
> 40. Ford SVT Contour
> 41. Toyota Camry (2 different generations, V6s)
> 42. Lexus RX300
> 43. Lexus RX330
> 44. Lexus IS300 sedan
> 45. Lexus GS300
> 46. Infiniti Q45 (3 different versions)
> 47. Infiniti G20
> 48. Infiniti G35, coupe and sedan
> 49. Infiniti I30
> 50. Infiniti I35
> 51. Mercedes Benz C320
> 52. Mercedes Benz SL500
> 53. Mercedes Benz S-class diesel (late 70s vintage)
> 54. Mercedes Benz 500SEC (1990)
> 55. Mercedes Benz ML500
> 56. BMW X3 3.0
> 57. BMW X5 3.0
> 58. BMW X5 3.0
> 59. BMW X5 4.4i
> 60. Chevrolet Corvette (C4)
> 61. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5)
> 62. Toyota 4Runner SR5, Sport Edition (2003, V6 and V8)
> 63. Toyota Seqioa
> 66. GMC Envoy/Chevrolet Trailblazer
> 67. Volkswagen Beetle TDi (90Hp)
> 68. Volkswagen Jetta TDi (90Hp)
> 69. Volkswagen Karmann Ghia
> 70. Volkswagen "Super" Beetle
>
>>Also list every car you have owned in your
>>life

>
> The only one of these cars I have *owned* is the 2002 GTi. Most of these
> though, belonged either to family members or friends of the family, and I
> have
> spent a lot of time in them, both riding AND behind the wheel. The few
> that
> were not owned by someone related or someone we know are cars that I've
> test
> driven (usually more than once) at length. I think I've got all of them
> listed
> but I started to get bored, so I'm not gonna try to add anything else.
>
>> I personally drive cars as a neccesity. It used to be fun but I
>>drive over 35,000 miles a year so it is just another job.

>
> My father puts anywhere from 35,000 to 40,000 a year on his cars, on
> average.
> His 4Runner is less than a year and a half old and has 53,000 miles and
> change
> on it.
> Steve Grauman



  #125  
Old September 27th 04, 06:00 PM
Mike Smith
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Rob Guenther wrote:

> 14. Porsche 944 Turbo Doubt it.. it's kinda old
> 15. Porsche 928 GT Maybe, kinda a heacy Porsche tho


5.5(!) for the 944T, about the same for the 928GT. That doesn't mean
you'll find one *today* that can do it...

> 26. Chevrolet Impala SS (1996) Maybe, but I doubt it


In the 7's IIRC, not below 7.

> 46. Infiniti Q45 (3 different versions) NO


The original version was in the very low 7s - maybe even high 6s IIRC,
don't know about the others.

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  #126  
Old September 27th 04, 07:13 PM
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In article > ,
"Tony Bad" > wrote:

> "wkearney99" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Aw quit your complaining (;^D)...the only way my 52 HP or 48HP diesels

> > could do
> > > 0-60 in under 10 seconds is if I drove them off a cliff.

> >
> > Heh, a similar line got me out of a traffic speeding ticket. I said to the
> > judge, '75 mph in a Beetle? On hilly terrain?' (we're talking a 20 year
> > old
> > beater here) 'It couldn't do that even if I threw if off a cliff!'. Not
> > guilty!
> >

>
> I drove cross country (well a good chunk...NY to CO) in a 68 beetle, and
> after
> my foot started going numb, I got a large stick, cut it to length, and wedged
> it
> between pedal and seat as a "cruise control". I now realize this was VERY
> dangerous, and a dumb thing to do...but it allowed me to cruise at about 76
> for
> hours on end. 76 was all it would do, and it took a LONG time to get there.
>
> Ahhh...the good old days.



Yeah...the good old days. I remember them well. For four years when I
was in school at the UGA I drove my 65 40HP Beetle (Werner) back and
forth between Silver Spring MS and Athens GA on I-85 and I-95 dicing
with the semis (fast lane downhill, slow lane uphill). Old Werner could
only manage about 71 mph topped out and that was downhill! Amazing the
things you could do when you were young, huh? And even more amazing was
that it all seemed perfectly natural.

Bill

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  #127  
Old September 27th 04, 11:09 PM
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Rob Guenther wrote:

> Hardly any of those cars can do 0-100kph in under 7 seconds... some can do
> it in the 7 second range tho.
>



> 14. Porsche 944 Turbo Doubt it.. it's kinda old


huh?

http://vista.pca.org/stl/944turbo.htm

the 944 Turbo was a hell of a car and still is...

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  #128  
Old September 27th 04, 11:33 PM
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>Hardly any of those cars can do 0-100kph in under 7 seconds... some can do
>it in the 7 second range tho.


The cars that I've spent the most time with can. The SUVs are excused from
having sub 7-second 0-60 times because they're utility vehicles.

>3. Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T Almost


180Hp Jetta 1.8Ts with the manual will pull about 7.0-7.1. I find this very
good, and acceptable for a compact car at this price point.

>5. Volkswagen Passat W8 Probably


6-speed W8s will dom it in around 6.4.

>6. Volkswagen Toureag V8 Doubt it


Actually, they've been clocked around 7.2, very close.

>7. Volkswagen Golf-GTi 1.8T (mine) Unless you've worked on it no


Actually, 180Hp GTis will pull 0-60 between 6.5 and 6.8 seconds. Car and Driver
and R&T back these numbers up.

>8. Audi A4 2.8 (B5) Doubt it


5-speed 2.8 B5s do it in around 7.1

>9. Audi A4 3.0 (B6) Doubt it


6-speed 3.0s can do it in 6.9

>11. Audi S4 2.7T (B5) Hell yah i'll believe this one


5.5 seconds according to C&D

>14. Porsche 944 Turbo Doubt it.. it's kinda old


Under 6 seconds, actually. CHeck the net.

>15. Porsche 928 GT Maybe, kinda a heacy Porsche tho


They'll pull in the low 6s. The slightly newer GTS can do it in under 6.

>27. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (2000&2004) NO


Actually, the 2004 Grand Prix GTP can pull off 0-60 in around 6.8 seconds. It's
very powerful, check the net.

>29. Honda Accord (I4 and V6, 3 different generations) NO


2004 Accord V6 sedan in 7.1 seconds. The 6-speed coupe is supposed to be
quicker still.

>33. Acura TL & CL TypeS (two different versions of the CL) NO


The CL and TL Type S will both be 7.0 or lower. You need to check your numbers.

>35. Jaguar XJR Probably


Yea, I should say so. 0-60 in 5.1

>37. Acura Integra GS-R (sedan) NO


Actually been clocked at about 7.2

>38. Acura RSX Type-S Comes close probably


6.3, actually.

>46. Infiniti Q45 (3 different versions) NO


2004 Q45 can break 7.

>48. Infiniti G35, coupe and sedan I'd think so


5.9-6.3 seconds, depending on if it's coupe or sedan, manual or auto.

>67. Volkswagen Beetle TDi (90Hp) NO
>68. Volkswagen Jetta TDi (90Hp) NO


These only re-inforce my poit.

>Practically none of these cars can do 0-60mph in under 7 seconds, some are
>close... but morel like the low 7-8 range... most of these cars will do it
>in the 8-10 second range.


Well, again, I'm exempting the SUVs because large utility behicles are held to
different standards. Most of the cars I've driven will pull off 0-60 around 7.0
seconds or less. The few that couldn't were mostly vintage or ecnonmy cars.
None of this really has anything to do with the fact that the VW TDis are
slower than ****.

>These are all pretty average cars... even those Porsches, while once they
>were fast by todays standards the 944 and 928 aren't super quick to
>100kph...


The 944 Turbo can easily pull off 0-60 in under 6 seconds, and the 928 GT is
very close. They're both still far quiaker than the average of 2004.

>I'd say the fastest car you have "driven" is the Z06 Vette.


It's certainly the fastest car in a straight line.
Steve Grauman
  #129  
Old September 28th 04, 04:35 AM
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Didn't notice "turbo", and the car was before my time... had to really guess
with that one... Got it a bit wrong.
"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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> Rob Guenther wrote:
>
>> Hardly any of those cars can do 0-100kph in under 7 seconds... some can
>> do it in the 7 second range tho.
>>

>
>
>> 14. Porsche 944 Turbo Doubt it.. it's kinda old

>
> huh?
>
> http://vista.pca.org/stl/944turbo.htm
>
> the 944 Turbo was a hell of a car and still is...
>
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Old September 28th 04, 04:42 AM
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Don't know what I was thinking with those Porsches... Must have been half
asleep or something - or figureing something that old couldn't be so fast...
Definate mis-information on my part.

Still, i'd say most of the cars you've driven are in the 7 seconds range
6.5-7.7s lets say... Definately not the case that the majority are sub 7.00
sec.

The times for the new Accord kinda scare me... doesn't seem right for the
family sedan, the rubber must melt off the wheels on that car. Don't know if
you posted the age of the accords either originally (I4 and V6 I think is
all you said) I've been in the I-4 from 1994 and it's slow. I've heard good
things about the 2000 V6 from a friend.

And we all know that the Germans like to give conservative times for their
cars, so publications will have better times.

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
...
> >Hardly any of those cars can do 0-100kph in under 7 seconds... some can
> >do
>>it in the 7 second range tho.

>
> The cars that I've spent the most time with can. The SUVs are excused from
> having sub 7-second 0-60 times because they're utility vehicles.
>
>>3. Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T Almost

>
> 180Hp Jetta 1.8Ts with the manual will pull about 7.0-7.1. I find this
> very
> good, and acceptable for a compact car at this price point.
>
>>5. Volkswagen Passat W8 Probably

>
> 6-speed W8s will dom it in around 6.4.
>
>>6. Volkswagen Toureag V8 Doubt it

>
> Actually, they've been clocked around 7.2, very close.
>
>>7. Volkswagen Golf-GTi 1.8T (mine) Unless you've worked on it no

>
> Actually, 180Hp GTis will pull 0-60 between 6.5 and 6.8 seconds. Car and
> Driver
> and R&T back these numbers up.
>
>>8. Audi A4 2.8 (B5) Doubt it

>
> 5-speed 2.8 B5s do it in around 7.1
>
>>9. Audi A4 3.0 (B6) Doubt it

>
> 6-speed 3.0s can do it in 6.9
>
>>11. Audi S4 2.7T (B5) Hell yah i'll believe this one

>
> 5.5 seconds according to C&D
>
>>14. Porsche 944 Turbo Doubt it.. it's kinda old

>
> Under 6 seconds, actually. CHeck the net.
>
>>15. Porsche 928 GT Maybe, kinda a heacy Porsche tho

>
> They'll pull in the low 6s. The slightly newer GTS can do it in under 6.
>
>>27. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (2000&2004) NO

>
> Actually, the 2004 Grand Prix GTP can pull off 0-60 in around 6.8 seconds.
> It's
> very powerful, check the net.
>
>>29. Honda Accord (I4 and V6, 3 different generations) NO

>
> 2004 Accord V6 sedan in 7.1 seconds. The 6-speed coupe is supposed to be
> quicker still.
>
>>33. Acura TL & CL TypeS (two different versions of the CL) NO

>
> The CL and TL Type S will both be 7.0 or lower. You need to check your
> numbers.
>
>>35. Jaguar XJR Probably

>
> Yea, I should say so. 0-60 in 5.1
>
>>37. Acura Integra GS-R (sedan) NO

>
> Actually been clocked at about 7.2
>
>>38. Acura RSX Type-S Comes close probably

>
> 6.3, actually.
>
>>46. Infiniti Q45 (3 different versions) NO

>
> 2004 Q45 can break 7.
>
>>48. Infiniti G35, coupe and sedan I'd think so

>
> 5.9-6.3 seconds, depending on if it's coupe or sedan, manual or auto.
>
>>67. Volkswagen Beetle TDi (90Hp) NO
>>68. Volkswagen Jetta TDi (90Hp) NO

>
> These only re-inforce my poit.
>
>>Practically none of these cars can do 0-60mph in under 7 seconds, some are
>>close... but morel like the low 7-8 range... most of these cars will do it
>>in the 8-10 second range.

>
> Well, again, I'm exempting the SUVs because large utility behicles are
> held to
> different standards. Most of the cars I've driven will pull off 0-60
> around 7.0
> seconds or less. The few that couldn't were mostly vintage or ecnonmy
> cars.
> None of this really has anything to do with the fact that the VW TDis are
> slower than ****.
>
>>These are all pretty average cars... even those Porsches, while once they
>>were fast by todays standards the 944 and 928 aren't super quick to
>>100kph...

>
> The 944 Turbo can easily pull off 0-60 in under 6 seconds, and the 928 GT
> is
> very close. They're both still far quiaker than the average of 2004.
>
>>I'd say the fastest car you have "driven" is the Z06 Vette.

>
> It's certainly the fastest car in a straight line.
> Steve Grauman



 




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