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Old December 23rd 04, 05:31 AM
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> You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to
> rollover scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was
> put forward by the anti SUV, global warming environuts, to scare
> people away from buying them but it is contrary to the facts.


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  #18  
Old December 23rd 04, 06:59 AM
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While you are whining about people with 'little knowledge' making
statements, find and give us numbers on SUV rollovers -- not all vehicle
rollovers.





In >, on 12/22/2004
at 08:42 PM, said:

>According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the US,
>will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS bags, IN
>THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL types of vehicles
>result in a rollover. Records show that the biggest majority of
>rollover accident are a result of striking or being stuck by something,
>not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a 'tendency' to rollover. The fact
>is the laws of physics dictate that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a
>55% angle the 'tendency' is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of
>the vehicle was a cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six
>wheeled trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
>research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you apparently
>have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my opinion



>mike hunt




wrote:
>>
>> In >, on 12/22/2004
>> at 06:30 PM,
said:
>>
>> >You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to rollover
>> >scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was put forward by the
>> >anti SUV, global warming environuts,

>>
>> No -- it was the result of rollovers that should not have happened.
>>
>> to scare people away from buying
>> >them but it is contrary to the facts. Talk to you agent and see for
>> >yourself, WBMA. Properly belted passengers are safer riding in larger
>> >vehicles. The drop in the number of injuries and death among children
>> >over the past five years is attributed to the fact more children are
>> >riding in those larger vehicles.

>>
>> >mike hunt

>>
>> >N8N wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't know where you're getting your info, but unless things have
>> >> changed since the last time I had this conversation with my insurance
>> >> agent, you're simply wrong. SUV's are about the highest rate possible,
>> >> except maybe some sports cars.
>> >>
>> >> nate
>> >>
>> >>
wrote:
>> >> > Not so, talk to your agent, SUV rates are lower than small FWD
>> >> > cars. SUV's are basicly car or truck based.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > mike hunt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Nate Nagel wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But not SUVs. Those are actually higher risk vehicles.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > nate
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Your information is not correct. The insurance industry KNOWS
>> >> > > > that larger vehicles are the safest vehicles in which properly
>> >> > > > belted passenger can ride. That is why the liability rates are
>> >> > > > LOWER on larger vehicles. Check with your insurance agent and you
>> >> > > > will find small FWD vehicles like the Focus cost as much or more
>> >> > > > to insure than cars like the Ford Crown Vic.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > mike hunt
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Dick Boyd wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >>Thank General Jerry Curry and Diane Steed more than Congress for
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>behemoths.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>One was head of NHTSA, the other the head of EPA. They staged
>> >> crash
>> >> > > >>photos of heavy vehicles crashing into lighter vehicles. After
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>public was convinced that heavier was better and after Congress
>> >> > > >>approved SUVs as trucks there was a retraction, but never an
>> >> apology.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>In the staged crashes, instrumentend crash dummies in the heavy
>> >> > > >>vehicles fared much worse than the crash dummies in the lighter
>> >> > > >>vehicles. But the still photos were very dramatic.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>Several years of real world crash experience bears out the
>> >> testing. The
>> >> > > >>heavier vehicles are killers. But General Jerry sings opera and
>> >> drives
>> >> > > >>his SUV down the mountain with impunity. Sadly, too many have
>> >> wrapped
>> >> > > >>themselves emotionally around the issue and never read the crash
>> >> > > >>reports.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
>> >> > >
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel


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Old December 23rd 04, 06:59 AM
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While you are whining about people with 'little knowledge' making
statements, find and give us numbers on SUV rollovers -- not all vehicle
rollovers.





In >, on 12/22/2004
at 08:42 PM, said:

>According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the US,
>will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS bags, IN
>THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL types of vehicles
>result in a rollover. Records show that the biggest majority of
>rollover accident are a result of striking or being stuck by something,
>not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a 'tendency' to rollover. The fact
>is the laws of physics dictate that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a
>55% angle the 'tendency' is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of
>the vehicle was a cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six
>wheeled trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
>research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you apparently
>have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my opinion



>mike hunt




wrote:
>>
>> In >, on 12/22/2004
>> at 06:30 PM,
said:
>>
>> >You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to rollover
>> >scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was put forward by the
>> >anti SUV, global warming environuts,

>>
>> No -- it was the result of rollovers that should not have happened.
>>
>> to scare people away from buying
>> >them but it is contrary to the facts. Talk to you agent and see for
>> >yourself, WBMA. Properly belted passengers are safer riding in larger
>> >vehicles. The drop in the number of injuries and death among children
>> >over the past five years is attributed to the fact more children are
>> >riding in those larger vehicles.

>>
>> >mike hunt

>>
>> >N8N wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't know where you're getting your info, but unless things have
>> >> changed since the last time I had this conversation with my insurance
>> >> agent, you're simply wrong. SUV's are about the highest rate possible,
>> >> except maybe some sports cars.
>> >>
>> >> nate
>> >>
>> >>
wrote:
>> >> > Not so, talk to your agent, SUV rates are lower than small FWD
>> >> > cars. SUV's are basicly car or truck based.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > mike hunt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Nate Nagel wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But not SUVs. Those are actually higher risk vehicles.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > nate
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Your information is not correct. The insurance industry KNOWS
>> >> > > > that larger vehicles are the safest vehicles in which properly
>> >> > > > belted passenger can ride. That is why the liability rates are
>> >> > > > LOWER on larger vehicles. Check with your insurance agent and you
>> >> > > > will find small FWD vehicles like the Focus cost as much or more
>> >> > > > to insure than cars like the Ford Crown Vic.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > mike hunt
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Dick Boyd wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >>Thank General Jerry Curry and Diane Steed more than Congress for
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>behemoths.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>One was head of NHTSA, the other the head of EPA. They staged
>> >> crash
>> >> > > >>photos of heavy vehicles crashing into lighter vehicles. After
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>public was convinced that heavier was better and after Congress
>> >> > > >>approved SUVs as trucks there was a retraction, but never an
>> >> apology.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>In the staged crashes, instrumentend crash dummies in the heavy
>> >> > > >>vehicles fared much worse than the crash dummies in the lighter
>> >> > > >>vehicles. But the still photos were very dramatic.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>Several years of real world crash experience bears out the
>> >> testing. The
>> >> > > >>heavier vehicles are killers. But General Jerry sings opera and
>> >> drives
>> >> > > >>his SUV down the mountain with impunity. Sadly, too many have
>> >> wrapped
>> >> > > >>themselves emotionally around the issue and never read the crash
>> >> > > >>reports.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
>> >> > >
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel


 




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