Are you in favor of SUV's

wrote:
>
> You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to
> rollover scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was
> put forward by the anti SUV, global warming environuts, to scare
> people away from buying them but it is contrary to the facts.
> Talk to you agent and see for yourself, WBMA. Properly belted
> passengers are safer riding in larger vehicles. The drop in the
> number of injuries and death among children over the past five
> years is attributed to the fact more children are riding in those
> larger vehicles.
>
> mike hunt

The interesting point here is that; although SUVs (and trucks in
general) do roll over more easily than cars, these rollovers tend to be
more survivable. In fact, I've known a number of people, properly belted
into Jeeps, to drive away from some rollovers.

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"william lynch" > wrote in message ...
> in article , at
> wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
>
> > According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
> > US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
> > bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
> > types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
> > biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
> > being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
> > 'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
> > that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
> > is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
> > cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
> > trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
> > research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
> > apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
> > opinion
>
> At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
> statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
> Strange how that works out.
>

I find that sedans hang up on the driveway. Even the 2-wheel drive
Suburban has its bumpers bent from the road. Thus not only a 2-wheel but a
4x4 meets my needs to get onto the road.

"william lynch" > wrote in message ...
> in article , at
> wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
>
> > According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
> > US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
> > bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
> > types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
> > biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
> > being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
> > 'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
> > that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
> > is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
> > cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
> > trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
> > research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
> > apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
> > opinion
>
> At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
> statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
> Strange how that works out.
>

I find that sedans hang up on the driveway. Even the 2-wheel drive
Suburban has its bumpers bent from the road. Thus not only a 2-wheel but a
4x4 meets my needs to get onto the road.

George Conklin wrote:

> "william lynch" > wrote in message ...
>
>>in article , at
wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
>>
>>
>>>According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
>>>US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
>>>bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
>>>types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
>>>biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
>>>being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
>>>'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
>>>that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
>>>is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
>>>cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
>>>trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
>>>research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
>>>apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
>>>opinion
>>
>>At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
>>statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
>>Strange how that works out.
>>
>
>
> I find that sedans hang up on the driveway. Even the 2-wheel drive
> Suburban has its bumpers bent from the road. Thus not only a 2-wheel but a
> 4x4 meets my needs to get onto the road.
>

You could always re-grade the apron of your driveway. I think a lot of
people that "need" SUVs really just "want" SUVs. My parents live in the
kind of area where everyone "needs" an SUV, with a 1/4 mile long gravel
driveway that's all uphill. This is in fairly rural PA, where it is no
doubt already snowing. When they moved there, they bought an IH Scout,
but I believe its inspection lapsed something like 10 years ago and it's
been relegated to hauling firewood out of the woods, an old VW Golf is
sufficient to transport one in any kind of weather you'd want to be out in.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with "wanting" an SUV, I just suspect
that the use of the word "need" is unjustified in the majority of cases.

nate


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George Conklin wrote:

> "william lynch" > wrote in message ...
>
>>in article , at
wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
>>
>>
>>>According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
>>>US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
>>>bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
>>>types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
>>>biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
>>>being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
>>>'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
>>>that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
>>>is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
>>>cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
>>>trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
>>>research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
>>>apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
>>>opinion
>>
>>At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
>>statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
>>Strange how that works out.
>>
>
>
> I find that sedans hang up on the driveway. Even the 2-wheel drive
> Suburban has its bumpers bent from the road. Thus not only a 2-wheel but a
> 4x4 meets my needs to get onto the road.
>

You could always re-grade the apron of your driveway. I think a lot of
people that "need" SUVs really just "want" SUVs. My parents live in the
kind of area where everyone "needs" an SUV, with a 1/4 mile long gravel
driveway that's all uphill. This is in fairly rural PA, where it is no
doubt already snowing. When they moved there, they bought an IH Scout,
but I believe its inspection lapsed something like 10 years ago and it's
been relegated to hauling firewood out of the woods, an old VW Golf is
sufficient to transport one in any kind of weather you'd want to be out in.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with "wanting" an SUV, I just suspect
that the use of the word "need" is unjustified in the majority of cases.

nate


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replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
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"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
...
> George Conklin wrote:
>
> > "william lynch" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>in article , at
> wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
> >>
> >>
> >>>According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
> >>>US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
> >>>bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
> >>>types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
> >>>biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
> >>>being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
> >>>'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
> >>>that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
> >>>is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
> >>>cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
> >>>trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
> >>>research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
> >>>apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
> >>>opinion
> >>
> >>At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
> >>statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
> >>Strange how that works out.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I find that sedans hang up on the driveway. Even the 2-wheel drive
> > Suburban has its bumpers bent from the road. Thus not only a 2-wheel
but a
> > 4x4 meets my needs to get onto the road.
> >
>
> You could always re-grade the apron of your driveway.

I could not change the steep grades and sharp turns. I did not buy a SUV
until I needed one. And I did not buy the 4x4 until even my neighbors
thought I was silly to try to make it with a 2-wheel drive. They were
right.


I think a lot of
> people that "need" SUVs really just "want" SUVs. My parents live in the
> kind of area where everyone "needs" an SUV, with a 1/4 mile long gravel
> driveway that's all uphill. This is in fairly rural PA, where it is no
> doubt already snowing. When they moved there, they bought an IH Scout,
> but I believe its inspection lapsed something like 10 years ago and it's
> been relegated to hauling firewood out of the woods, an old VW Golf is
> sufficient to transport one in any kind of weather you'd want to be out
in.
>
> Of course, there's nothing wrong with "wanting" an SUV, I just suspect
> that the use of the word "need" is unjustified in the majority of cases.
>
> nate

I am glad they can get by. I could not, since the steep grades also
stopped me cold. I ended up with a tractor too just to keep the road
graded.

"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
...
> George Conklin wrote:
>
> > "william lynch" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>in article , at
> wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
> >>
> >>
> >>>According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
> >>>US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
> >>>bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
> >>>types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
> >>>biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
> >>>being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
> >>>'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
> >>>that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
> >>>is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
> >>>cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
> >>>trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
> >>>research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
> >>>apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
> >>>opinion
> >>
> >>At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
> >>statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
> >>Strange how that works out.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I find that sedans hang up on the driveway. Even the 2-wheel drive
> > Suburban has its bumpers bent from the road. Thus not only a 2-wheel
but a
> > 4x4 meets my needs to get onto the road.
> >
>
> You could always re-grade the apron of your driveway.

I could not change the steep grades and sharp turns. I did not buy a SUV
until I needed one. And I did not buy the 4x4 until even my neighbors
thought I was silly to try to make it with a 2-wheel drive. They were
right.


I think a lot of
> people that "need" SUVs really just "want" SUVs. My parents live in the
> kind of area where everyone "needs" an SUV, with a 1/4 mile long gravel
> driveway that's all uphill. This is in fairly rural PA, where it is no
> doubt already snowing. When they moved there, they bought an IH Scout,
> but I believe its inspection lapsed something like 10 years ago and it's
> been relegated to hauling firewood out of the woods, an old VW Golf is
> sufficient to transport one in any kind of weather you'd want to be out
in.
>
> Of course, there's nothing wrong with "wanting" an SUV, I just suspect
> that the use of the word "need" is unjustified in the majority of cases.
>
> nate

I am glad they can get by. I could not, since the steep grades also
stopped me cold. I ended up with a tractor too just to keep the road
graded.

Most thinking people are environmentalist, in that they care
about the preservation of the environment. Environuts on the
other hand are people like you and those in '1984' that believe
that only THEY KNOW what is good for the environment, HUGH
difference LOL


mike hunt



DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to
> > rollover scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was
> > put forward by the anti SUV, global warming environuts, to scare
> > people away from buying them but it is contrary to the facts.
>
> People concerned about the environment are "nuts." People who are into
> eternal war--sending others, that is--are "peaceful."
>
> "War is Peace," "Freedom is Slavery," and "Ignorance is
> Strength"...
>
> With these slogans, George Orwell's NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR burst upon the
> literary world as the definitive anti-utopian novel for the second half
> of the 20th Century.
>
> Published in 1949, this darkly cautionary and prescient vision of the
> near future was a warning against the dangers of a totalitarian
> government fueled by high technology. Orwell envisions a world
> devastated by nuclear war and poverty, where the West has fallen under
> the spell of a totalitarian socialist dictator, Big Brother. A
> political demagogue and religious cult leader all rolled into one, Big
> Brother's power and mystery are so immense that one may wonder if he
> even exists at all.

Most thinking people are environmentalist, in that they care
about the preservation of the environment. Environuts on the
other hand are people like you and those in '1984' that believe
that only THEY KNOW what is good for the environment, HUGH
difference LOL


mike hunt



DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to
> > rollover scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was
> > put forward by the anti SUV, global warming environuts, to scare
> > people away from buying them but it is contrary to the facts.
>
> People concerned about the environment are "nuts." People who are into
> eternal war--sending others, that is--are "peaceful."
>
> "War is Peace," "Freedom is Slavery," and "Ignorance is
> Strength"...
>
> With these slogans, George Orwell's NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR burst upon the
> literary world as the definitive anti-utopian novel for the second half
> of the 20th Century.
>
> Published in 1949, this darkly cautionary and prescient vision of the
> near future was a warning against the dangers of a totalitarian
> government fueled by high technology. Orwell envisions a world
> devastated by nuclear war and poverty, where the West has fallen under
> the spell of a totalitarian socialist dictator, Big Brother. A
> political demagogue and religious cult leader all rolled into one, Big
> Brother's power and mystery are so immense that one may wonder if he
> even exists at all.

The difference is minuscule as a percentage. The fact that
properly belted passengers in larger cars are less likely to be
injured or killed, is great in comparison. Do some research. No
mater how you choose to look at SUV's, the fact remains if
larger, safer, SUV's were not available more people would be
injured or killed in motor vehicle accidents


mike hunt



william lynch wrote:
>
> in article , at
> wrote on 12/22/04 5:42 PM:
>
> > According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
> > US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS
> > bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL
> > types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the
> > biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or
> > being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a
> > 'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate
> > that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency'
> > is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a
> > cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled
> > trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of
> > research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you
> > apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my
> > opinion
>
> At no point in here did you say word one about SUV rollover
> statistics vs. the same stats for all other passenger vehicles.
> Strange how that works out.