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Old April 5th 06, 05:03 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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I have a 1963 Chevy II Nova wagon. 194 inline 6. Today I was offered
an M-52 and wiring harness, running for 200 bucks.

Anyone have any idea how possible it would be? I realize I would need
an ECM and various sensors along with a transmission but is it feasable?

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Old April 5th 06, 12:30 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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On 4 Apr 2006 21:03:45 -0700, "ReddDawg" >
waffled on about something:

> I have a 1963 Chevy II Nova wagon. 194 inline 6. Today I was offered
>an M-52 and wiring harness, running for 200 bucks.
>
> Anyone have any idea how possible it would be? I realize I would need
>an ECM and various sensors along with a transmission but is it feasable?


Everything is feasible given enough time and a large enough hammer!

Which M52 engine is it?

2litre, 2.5, 2.8?

Don't forget there's a Vanos to be controlled by the magic box... And
read up about the seal problem with the later double vanos system.

Dodgy.
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Old April 5th 06, 02:12 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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"ReddDawg" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I have a 1963 Chevy II Nova wagon. 194 inline 6. Today I was offered
> an M-52 and wiring harness, running for 200 bucks.
>
> Anyone have any idea how possible it would be? I realize I would need
> an ECM and various sensors along with a transmission but is it feasable?
>


Find a suitable BMW chassis to put it in. This engine has come out of a 5
or 7 series and you want to put a working engine in a wheeled skip*?

It might make a sensible car if you also managed to salvage, semi trailing
arm suspension, disk brakes (ventilated front) with ABS, 5 speed steptronic
box, limited slip diff', alloy wheels with decent rubber... etc. etc.

I suppose the Chevy has the benefit of a lot more room in the back than a 5
or 3 series touring...


A complete original spec' is hard to find but roughly : -

194ci (~3l) i6 engine, output 120bhp (~80kW) although a 154ci (~2.5l) i4
pushrod "iron duke" engine was an option*

Two speed (yes two!) powerglide transmission.

Weight probably over 2Mg.

Top speed ~84mph (on its own speedo)

Drum brakes.

Probable: -

5" wide wheels

Cart spring suspension.





* the output of this unit was probably 90bhp (~60kW), OTOH the ten years
later you could get a Nova with a 396ci V8 producing anywhere between 325 -
425bhp (~250kW). This means it would go faster in a straight line.


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Old April 5th 06, 02:17 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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ReddDawg wrote:
> I have a 1963 Chevy II Nova wagon. 194 inline 6. Today I was offered
> an M-52 and wiring harness, running for 200 bucks.
>
> Anyone have any idea how possible it would be? I realize I would need
> an ECM and various sensors along with a transmission but is it feasable?
>


anything is possible. The problem is the Nova handles like a kid's play
wagon...

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Old April 6th 06, 05:00 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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The Nova is original and has been in my care for about 11 years now.
Power back window, 9x2 brakes, four lug, 13 inch wheels, 194, you
failed to mention AIR COOLED powerglide and a frontloader 10 bolt. She
has hang under dash air.

I already have a 94 325 is, 2001 530i sport and a 99 323i in the
family. This would be another variation of the same toy - already have
a 9 inch cut for the car and would put a tubular front end under it. I
am not as worried about handling (anything is an improvement) as much
as the nift factor and having something a little more unique.

But it was stated: Don't forget there's a Vanos to be controlled by
the magic box... And
read up about the seal problem with the later double vanos system.

????

It is a 96 2.5.

I put three Buick GN drivetrains into an 81 Grand Prix, 75 Monza (4
speed - traction was beyond impossible) and an 84 Monte Carlo SS. I was
going to put an LT1 in the car eventually but stumbled on this. I am
NOT familiar with the BMW ECM and wiring.

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Old April 6th 06, 11:37 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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> ReddDawg wrote:
> > I have a 1963 Chevy II Nova wagon. 194 inline 6. Today I was offered
> > an M-52 and wiring harness, running for 200 bucks.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea how possible it would be? I realize I would need
> > an ECM and various sensors along with a transmission but is it feasable?
> >

>
>
>

All the street rod guys know that you have to spend $50,000+ to make any of that
the old Detroit iron "driveable" (worth driving). Yeah, when they're done they have a one-off example,
but all the lace and lingerie in the world can't sex up a piggy
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Old April 6th 06, 12:19 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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"ReddDawg" > wrote in message
oups.com...

>
> But it was stated: Don't forget there's a Vanos to be controlled by
> the magic box... And
> read up about the seal problem with the later double vanos system.
>
> ????
>
> It is a 96 2.5.
>


IIRC the double vanos first appeared in the M52 TU which was introduced
after 1996.

You should also avoid the 'Nikasil' problem, as IIRC cast iron block were
used in the USA.


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Old April 6th 06, 12:40 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "ReddDawg" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>
>>But it was stated: Don't forget there's a Vanos to be controlled by
>>the magic box... And
>>read up about the seal problem with the later double vanos system.
>>
>>????
>>
>>It is a 96 2.5.
>>

>
>
> IIRC the double vanos first appeared in the M52 TU which was introduced
> after 1996.
>
> You should also avoid the 'Nikasil' problem, as IIRC cast iron block were
> used in the USA.
>
>


One has to assume that since he will be dropping the 2.5 into a Chebby
Nova that the engine would also be from the US, no? So no Nikasil 2.5 l
engines in the US.

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Old April 6th 06, 04:28 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Auto building is like a personality - it all depends on the builder's
tastes and desires. I am not looking to build a real street eliminator,
if I was I would pull the 540 out of the truck and put a chassis under
the wagon. Some of us are "street rod" guys and have won Street Machine
Nationals (well, OK, second place at SMN and 1st at National Muscle
Car) without spending 50 grand - be more than happy to email you
pictures of the car and the awards and I built it while I was working
part time at UPS during the college days. This is my third Deuce wagon
(have owned every year and body style Nova from 63 through 77) and I
love the car. What I do not want to completely detract from is the
original driving characteristics because that is what I really enjoy
about the car. A Bimmer drive train along with some braking
enhancements should keep it in this ball park. If I want to go through
the twisties I have two Bimmers to get me through it with complete
satisfaction.

Remember - rat rods are growing in popularity. The guy who owns the
local "speed shop" (really cool converted gas station to look like a
50s/60s shop) says his favorite color is rust because it brings good
money... Not that I condone such behavior and if anything ever happens
to my sandblaster I would go into shock!

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Old April 6th 06, 04:32 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Sounds like I need to run by there again and get a bit more
information before I commit.

 




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