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Jerry,
your right, that mile marker PE8000 is the same exact winch that Harbor Fright Tools carries. Same price, same specs, same controller, just a different branded product. I cant believe I was suckered by mile marker in thinking it was thier exclusive electric winch. I'll just save for a Warn 8000. also saw these postings http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...oto=nextoldest -Joe "Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message news:twKEd.29463$232.12376@fed1read05... > If you want to install a Chinese-built winch on your Jeep, go for it. > > Jerry > > Joe wrote: > > Any thoughts on this winch. seems like a bargin at $399 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
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I think both you guys take this whole process WAY too seriously: after
being in the military for awhile and seeing the cheap POS gear they foisted off on us, there's one explanation for such a huge contract (if the whole Army indeed uses them): some congressman's brother owns Mile Marker. Why do you think the Marines keep buying the Osprey aircraft? Because at least one part is made in each 50 states. Look it up. They may be great winches or they may be crap, but unfortunately I don't believe that quality enters a whole lot into the equation. For every Jeep-type quality product they get lucky creating, there are 50 F-18s, H-60's, and M-16s. Matt |
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I think the "cheep POS gear" came along with Slick Willie's selling
of our missile technology to China, and the mass closing of our military basses. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ " wrote: > > I think both you guys take this whole process WAY too seriously: after > being in the military for awhile and seeing the cheap POS gear they > foisted off on us, there's one explanation for such a huge contract (if > the whole Army indeed uses them): some congressman's brother owns Mile > Marker. Why do you think the Marines keep buying the Osprey aircraft? > Because at least one part is made in each 50 states. Look it up. They > may be great winches or they may be crap, but unfortunately I don't > believe that quality enters a whole lot into the equation. For every > Jeep-type quality product they get lucky creating, there are 50 F-18s, > H-60's, and M-16s. > > Matt |
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"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > and the mass closing of our military > basses. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ Which the current VP was more than happy to start doing. |
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Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Exactly. I've lost bids to the US Navy. where the end-users strongly > wanted only my product (supercomputers from the ex-superstar SGI > (Silicon Graphics Inc) and they were clearly superior to what won, but > my product still lost. not a realistic comparison at all. just how much of a cost difference are you talking about? > For > anyone to say Milemarker won because it was "better" has their head up > their ass. im going to explain this again, but youll have to take off your warn-colored glasses if you are to even have a chance of comprehending it. milemarker didnt take the contract because it was "better" than electric winches. pay attention here. the hydraulic winch (not mile marker specific, but hydraulic winching period) "won" over electric because hydraulic is better for military applications (such as being able to run indefinately under water, critical in amphibious landings) so the military first determined that they would use hydraulic winches. yes, mile marker showed the military that hydraulic winches are superior to electric for military applications, but thats now what got them the contract to build them for the military, that just changed their thinking. now comes time for the bidding. on the one hand you have a company that specializes in hydraulic winches. they already have the R&D done, and the manufacturing capability to supply demand. on the other hand you have a couple electric companies realizing "oh ****, we're about to loose out" so they scramble to try and rush some R&D and production to stand a chance at winning the contract. now tell me jerry, since youre a big time government contract guy, who do you think can bid them much cheaper? a company already making them, or a company scrambling to get something on the table? try pulling off those warn-colored glasses sometime, at least long enough to look at the real world. yes, milemarker proved to the military that hydraulic winching was superior to electric for military applications, but they got the contract because they specialize in hydraulic winching and can do it cheaper (and better, but cheaper). |
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That would make it very difficult to explain the POS level gear rampant in the military long before slick willie first dipped his noodle in the spaghetti. In the 50's and 60's, it was simply the company with the more talented hookers of the appropriate persuasion. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed: > I think the "cheep POS gear" came along with Slick Willie's selling > of our missile technology to China, and the mass closing of our military > basses. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > " wrote: > >>I think both you guys take this whole process WAY too seriously: after >>being in the military for awhile and seeing the cheap POS gear they >>foisted off on us, there's one explanation for such a huge contract (if >>the whole Army indeed uses them): some congressman's brother owns Mile >>Marker. Why do you think the Marines keep buying the Osprey aircraft? >>Because at least one part is made in each 50 states. Look it up. They >>may be great winches or they may be crap, but unfortunately I don't >>believe that quality enters a whole lot into the equation. For every >>Jeep-type quality product they get lucky creating, there are 50 F-18s, >>H-60's, and M-16s. >> >>Matt |
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I didn't see that in '66. I operated a theodolite, laser range
finder, and mechanical computer, light-years ahead of what we saw surveying the highways at the time. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Lon wrote: > > That would make it very difficult to explain the POS level gear > rampant in the military long before slick willie first dipped his > noodle in the spaghetti. In the 50's and 60's, it was simply the > company with the more talented hookers of the appropriate > persuasion. |
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You must have been in the wrong place. I was at White Sands and SAC Hqs and can recall several rather questionable contract awards purely from a technical basis. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed: > I didn't see that in '66. I operated a theodolite, laser range > finder, and mechanical computer, light-years ahead of what we saw > surveying the highways at the time. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Lon wrote: > >> That would make it very difficult to explain the POS level gear >> rampant in the military long before slick willie first dipped his >> noodle in the spaghetti. In the 50's and 60's, it was simply the >> company with the more talented hookers of the appropriate >> persuasion. |
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