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What the government should be eliminating is the tax credit for
the production of ethanol. Recent studies have proved that it requires 24% to 54% more energy to produce ethanol than the energy produced by ethanol. If adding alcohol to gasoline is going to reduce pollution then the oil companies should be allowed to make if from the methanol that they now must burn off as a byproduct of oil production. Mental can be produced less expensively and will not need an tax credit to do so. mike hunt |
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Bill Putney wrote: > > Did anyone hear the report I heard the other day on the radio about some > research being done (somewhere in S.A. I think) into using compressed > air to power a vehicle. Been done. Several years ago in France. Works quite well, too. |
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FanJet wrote: > why isn't this available in the US - Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, Chrysler, > Anyone? The Government won't allow it to be tested - they have this Suzuki Samurai fake image in their heads despite it being tested extensively in Europe and passing much tougher standards. They just say that it's "too small" and know that it can't possibly be "safe". Idiots. |
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Joseph Oberlander > wrote in part:
> > >Bill Putney wrote: > >> >> Did anyone hear the report I heard the other day on the radio about some >> research being done (somewhere in S.A. I think) into using compressed >> air to power a vehicle. > >Been done. Several years ago in France. Works quite well, too. Many energy storage methods have been tried over the years. In the 70s, engineers thought that new ceramic materials might make flywheels capable of sufficient energy density. They were wrong. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA |
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Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> > > Bill Putney wrote: > >> >> Did anyone hear the report I heard the other day on the radio about >> some research being done (somewhere in S.A. I think) into using >> compressed air to power a vehicle. > > > Been done. Several years ago in France. Works quite well, too. > I wonder what the $$/mile numbers work out to be on costs of compressed air at the pressures and quantities needed. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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Jim Chinnis wrote: > Joseph Oberlander > wrote in part: > > >> >>Bill Putney wrote: >> >> >>>Did anyone hear the report I heard the other day on the radio about some >>>research being done (somewhere in S.A. I think) into using compressed >>>air to power a vehicle. >> >>Been done. Several years ago in France. Works quite well, too. > > > Many energy storage methods have been tried over the years. In the > 70s, engineers thought that new ceramic materials might make > flywheels capable of sufficient energy density. They were wrong. This is seeing use. It's cheaper to compress air with an electric motor. There's no pollution, no fuel storage problems, no chemicals(batteries) - it's just two huge air tanks and a really huge version of the air engines you see in those flying toy airplanes. That they can go that far - it's impressive. Beats all other technologies for urban use as well, since the tanks could be refilled at a "station" in minutes instead of hours like batteries. |
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Bill Putney wrote: > Joseph Oberlander wrote: > >> >> >> Bill Putney wrote: >> >>> >>> Did anyone hear the report I heard the other day on the radio about >>> some research being done (somewhere in S.A. I think) into using >>> compressed air to power a vehicle. >> >> >> >> Been done. Several years ago in France. Works quite well, too. >> > > I wonder what the $$/mile numbers work out to be on costs of compressed > air at the pressures and quantities needed. $1 USD per 62 miles. 200 mile range. 70mph top speed. It's basically a stretched Smart Car. |
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"Jim Chinnis" > wrote in message ... > "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in part: > > >At any rate, we already know what we need to do to the economy to > >reduce dependence on foreign oil. We need to migrate the economy > >to renewable power sources. And there are not many of them. Wind > >power is really one of the few available that has enough energy to > >run the economy. Nuclear is another if you can accept the waste problem > >(most people can't) The rest of them, such as damming rivers, direct > >photovoltiac conversion, geothermal, biofuel and so forth, either have > >unwanted > >side effects (fish kills) or are too terribly inefficient, or there aren't > >enough > >of them, to provide sufficient energy. > > But none of those approaches has a chance while oil is cheap. So, > yeah, we know what we need to do. But, it isn't cheap, actually. It is just the costs are spread elsewhere. Let's face it, the entire reason Bush invaded Iraq was oil. If the cost of that war was entirely paid for by a federal tax on each barrel of oil, you would see sudden readjustment in people thinking of oil being "cheap" And while we are at it, might as well pay for all the bribery I-mean-foreign-aid that we give Israel, Saudia Arabia, and all the rest of the mid East countries to keep a lid on things over there. One of these days, and I hope I'm alive to see it, the Mid East will run out of oil. When that happens the rest of the developed worlds governments, including China, are going to turn their back on that area of the globe. We will just build a giant fence around it, and let the occupants go free to murder each other over 'their homelands' Maybe once they have had a few generations of total warfare against each other and flattened most of their population centers, they might get sick of it - or if they cannot learn, then they will just end up killing each other off until nobody is left. Either way, problem solved. Until then the rest of the world is stuck dumping money into that snake pit. I guess we ought at least to thank our lucky stars that so many of the people over there are mentally ****ed in the head with all this religion crapola - if the societies in the Mid East ever came to their senses and banded together, the rest of us in the world would be their slaves. Ted |
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"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message nk.net... > > > FanJet wrote: > > > why isn't this available in the US - Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, Chrysler, > > Anyone? > > The Government won't allow it to be tested - they have this Suzuki > Samurai fake image in their heads despite it being tested extensively > in Europe and passing much tougher standards. They just say that > it's "too small" and know that it can't possibly be "safe". Idiots. > Um, plenty of motorcycles out there allowed to be on the roads - the government couldn't possibly consider a Samurai safer than a Kawasaki. I think the real problem is that ZAP got their 10 year exclusive distributorship before fuel prices went through the roof and everybody suddenly fell out of love with the SUV. At the time Smart probably figured they would be lucky to sell a thousand vehicles a year in the US. If Smart hadn't signed that deal and was looking to come into the US market today, their expectations would be far different and they would never have agreed to that deal. Ted |
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