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I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the road
tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & Track that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far too high! > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times with a > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque converter > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster times from > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and Edmunds > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have also > read several > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a 14.6 > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at those > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could keep > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to back > this up. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with the HO V8 > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 run. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT AWD? I > > have > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested in the > > AWD > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic loss > > from > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and speeds, it > > would > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, and the > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and weighs > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be considerably > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the road > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & Track > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so reviews. I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a stock RWD Dodge Magnum. Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. Still, a very sharp looking car! Thanks! Wicked96SS > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far too > high! > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times with a > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > converter > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster times > from > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and Edmunds > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have also > > read several > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a 14.6 > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at those > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could keep > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to back > > this up. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with the > HO V8 > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT AWD? > I > > > have > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested in > the > > > AWD > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic loss > > > from > > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and speeds, > it > > > would > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, and > the > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and weighs > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be considerably > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the road > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & Track > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so reviews. I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a stock RWD Dodge Magnum. Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. Still, a very sharp looking car! Thanks! Wicked96SS > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far too > high! > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times with a > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > converter > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster times > from > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and Edmunds > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have also > > read several > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a 14.6 > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at those > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could keep > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to back > > this up. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with the > HO V8 > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT AWD? > I > > > have > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested in > the > > > AWD > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic loss > > > from > > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and speeds, > it > > > would > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, and > the > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and weighs > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be considerably > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it.
It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message ... > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the road > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & Track > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. > > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so > reviews. > > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. > > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. > > Still, a very sharp looking car! > > Thanks! > Wicked96SS > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > ... > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far too > > high! > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times with a > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > > converter > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster times > > from > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > > > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and Edmunds > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > > > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have also > > > read several > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a 14.6 > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at those > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could keep > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > > > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to back > > > this up. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with the > > HO V8 > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT AWD? > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested in > > the > > > > AWD > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic loss > > > > from > > > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and speeds, > > it > > > > would > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, and > > the > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and weighs > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be considerably > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it.
It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message ... > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the road > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & Track > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. > > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so > reviews. > > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. > > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. > > Still, a very sharp looking car! > > Thanks! > Wicked96SS > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > ... > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far too > > high! > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times with a > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > > converter > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster times > > from > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > > > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and Edmunds > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > > > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have also > > > read several > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a 14.6 > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at those > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could keep > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > > > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to back > > > this up. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with the > > HO V8 > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT AWD? > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested in > > the > > > > AWD > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic loss > > > > from > > > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and speeds, > > it > > > > would > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, and > > the > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and weighs > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be considerably > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Keep the '04 GC.
"Jack Carter" > wrote in message ... | Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it. | It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. | Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 | Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and | window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K | even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! | | | | "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | ... | > | > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: | > | > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the | road | > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The | > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were | > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & | Track | > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this | > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. | > | > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to | > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from | > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so | > reviews. | > | > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well | > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using | > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what | > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, | > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know | > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a | > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. | > | > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I | > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. | > | > Still, a very sharp looking car! | > | > Thanks! | > Wicked96SS | > | > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | > > ... | > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: | > > > | > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far | too | > > high! | > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times | with a | > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 | > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque | > > converter | > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster | times | > > from | > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. | > > > | > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and | Edmunds | > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. | > > > | > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have | also | > > > read several | > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a | 14.6 | > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at | those | > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could | keep | > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. | > > > | > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just | > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be | > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to | back | > > > this up. | > > > | > > > Thanks! | > > > | > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | > > > > ... | > > > > > | > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: | > > > > > | > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with | the | > > HO V8 | > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 | run. | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | > > > > > > | ... | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT | AWD? | > > I | > > > > have | > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested | in | > > the | > > > > AWD | > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic | loss | > > > > from | > > > > > > > the AWD system. | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and | speeds, | > > it | > > > > would | > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Thanks! | > > > > > > > Wicked96SS | > > > > > | > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, | and | > > the | > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and | weighs | > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be | considerably | > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... | > > > > > | > > > > > Grand Cherokee: | > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs | > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs | > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. | > > > > > | > > > > > Dodge Magnum: | > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs | > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs | > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. | > > > > > | > > > > > Just curious! | > > > > > | > > > > > Thanks! | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > > | > | > | | |
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Keep the '04 GC.
"Jack Carter" > wrote in message ... | Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it. | It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. | Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 | Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and | window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K | even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! | | | | "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | ... | > | > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: | > | > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the | road | > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The | > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were | > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & | Track | > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this | > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. | > | > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to | > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from | > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so | > reviews. | > | > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well | > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using | > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what | > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, | > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know | > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a | > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. | > | > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I | > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. | > | > Still, a very sharp looking car! | > | > Thanks! | > Wicked96SS | > | > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | > > ... | > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: | > > > | > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far | too | > > high! | > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times | with a | > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 | > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque | > > converter | > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster | times | > > from | > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. | > > > | > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and | Edmunds | > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. | > > > | > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have | also | > > > read several | > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a | 14.6 | > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at | those | > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could | keep | > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. | > > > | > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just | > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be | > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to | back | > > > this up. | > > > | > > > Thanks! | > > > | > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | > > > > ... | > > > > > | > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: | > > > > > | > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with | the | > > HO V8 | > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 | run. | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message | > > > > > > | ... | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT | AWD? | > > I | > > > > have | > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested | in | > > the | > > > > AWD | > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic | loss | > > > > from | > > > > > > > the AWD system. | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and | speeds, | > > it | > > > > would | > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Thanks! | > > > > > > > Wicked96SS | > > > > > | > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, | and | > > the | > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and | weighs | > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be | considerably | > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... | > > > > > | > > > > > Grand Cherokee: | > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs | > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs | > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. | > > > > > | > > > > > Dodge Magnum: | > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs | > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs | > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. | > > > > > | > > > > > Just curious! | > > > > > | > > > > > Thanks! | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > > | > | > | | |
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote:
> Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it. > It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. > Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 > Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and > window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K > even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! I would research that deal a bit, check out Edmunds, should give you a good idea what the trade in value of your car is worth (although, you probably already know that). I think it comes down to preference, I really really like the looks of the Magnum. If it were me, and that was a fair deal, I would probably go for it... but then again, that's me.. thanks for the report! I was going to try to test drive one today, to see what it was like as well. I am still very interested in the AWD version. Thanks! > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > ... > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the > road > > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & > Track > > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. > > > > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to > > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from > > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so > > reviews. > > > > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well > > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using > > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what > > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, > > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know > > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a > > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. > > > > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I > > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. > > > > Still, a very sharp looking car! > > > > Thanks! > > Wicked96SS > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far > too > > > high! > > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times > with a > > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > > > converter > > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster > times > > > from > > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > > > > > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and > Edmunds > > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > > > > > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have > also > > > > read several > > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a > 14.6 > > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at > those > > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could > keep > > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > > > > > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to > back > > > > this up. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with > the > > > HO V8 > > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 > run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT > AWD? > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested > in > > > the > > > > > AWD > > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic > loss > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and > speeds, > > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, > and > > > the > > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and > weighs > > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be > considerably > > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote:
> Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it. > It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. > Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 > Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and > window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K > even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! I would research that deal a bit, check out Edmunds, should give you a good idea what the trade in value of your car is worth (although, you probably already know that). I think it comes down to preference, I really really like the looks of the Magnum. If it were me, and that was a fair deal, I would probably go for it... but then again, that's me.. thanks for the report! I was going to try to test drive one today, to see what it was like as well. I am still very interested in the AWD version. Thanks! > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > ... > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the > road > > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & > Track > > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. > > > > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to > > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from > > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so > > reviews. > > > > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well > > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using > > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what > > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, > > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know > > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a > > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. > > > > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I > > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. > > > > Still, a very sharp looking car! > > > > Thanks! > > Wicked96SS > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far > too > > > high! > > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times > with a > > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > > > converter > > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster > times > > > from > > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > > > > > > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and > Edmunds > > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > > > > > > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have > also > > > > read several > > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a > 14.6 > > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at > those > > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could > keep > > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > > > > > > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to > back > > > > this up. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with > the > > > HO V8 > > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 > run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT > AWD? > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested > in > > > the > > > > > AWD > > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic > loss > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the AWD system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and > speeds, > > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Wicked96SS > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, > and > > > the > > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and > weighs > > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be > considerably > > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > > > > > > > > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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I intend to!!!!
"James C. Reeves" > wrote in message ... > Keep the '04 GC. > > "Jack Carter" > wrote in message > ... > | Well, I drove one yesterday. And, counting me, there were four people in it. > | It felt good. I think my GC would give it some competetion up to about 50. > | Just out of curiosity, I asked them how much to trade. My GC is an '04 > | Limited with 3K miles on it, has all of the options except GPS and > | window-stickered for close to $39K. The RT had a window sticker of $33K > | even. Are you ready??! They'd "put me in it" for a mere $10K difference!!!! > | > | > | > | "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > | ... > | > > | > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > | > > | > > I used to do a LOT of drag racing myself at local strips. One of the > | road > | > > tests I recently read for the RT quoted a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds. (The > | > > writer said it seemed "sluggish" coming off the line and that there were > | > > times when it didn't feel like it had 340hp.) But I just got a Road & > | Track > | > > that says 6.1. Don't know who to believe. I'm going to drive one this > | > > afternoon so I'll have a better idea of how it might run after that. > | > > | > What source do you have for the 7.1 second 0-60? I would really like to > | > read about that. Every review I have read online have put the 0-60 from > | > 6.0 to 6.3, but nothing slower. Granted I have only read a dozen or so > | > reviews. > | > > | > I have gotten some good data about the torque curve of the engine as well > | > as the gear ratios in the transmission, and have run some numbers using > | > Desktop Dyno and Desktop Dragstrip and it gave similar results as to what > | > the reviews I have read said. Of course, I don't have all the variables, > | > and the software has a tendancy to be a bit "optimistic" if you don't know > | > how to set it up... but it predicted a 14.6 @ 97 MPH quarter mile out of a > | > stock RWD Dodge Magnum. > | > > | > Again, this is very unscientific, and making a lot of assumptions, but I > | > would believe it, on a good day, it could do that. > | > > | > Still, a very sharp looking car! > | > > | > Thanks! > | > Wicked96SS > | > > | > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > | > > ... > | > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > | > > > > | > > > > I don't know where you got your GC weight figure but it sounds far > | too > | > > high! > | > > > > I have an '04 GC with the HO V8 and have tested it several times > | with a > | > > > > G-Tech Pro performance meter. It breaks seven seconds from 0-60 > | > > > > consistently. The GC seems to have a very high RPM stall torque > | > > converter > | > > > > and, as a result, really flies off the line. I'm getting faster > | times > | > > from > | > > > > my '04 that the 5.7 liter 98 that I used to have. > | > > > > | > > > It may sound high, but I saw that figure on several websites, and > | Edmunds > | > > > has the vehicle listed at 6100 pounds. > | > > > > | > > > As for sub 7 second 0-60, that is impressive for an SUV! But I have > | also > | > > > read several > | > > > instances whre 0-60's in the Dodge Magnum RT were 6.1 seconds, with a > | 14.6 > | > > > second quarter mile. As a drag racer, to put it in perspective, at > | those > | > > > times and speeds, .9 seconds difference (assuming that the Jeep could > | keep > | > > > up) is about 9 car lengths, substancially faster. > | > > > > | > > > Again, I would really like to see some actual numbers, and not just > | > > > guessing on what the AWD RT would do... I have a feeling it would be > | > > > slightly faster than the Jeep.... although I don't have any facts to > | back > | > > > this up. > | > > > > | > > > Thanks! > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > | > > > > ... > | > > > > > > | > > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jack Carter wrote: > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > From what I've read, anyone who owns an 04 Grand Cherokee with > | the > | > > HO V8 > | > > > > > > (AWD) probably won't take a back seat to an RT AWD in a 0-60 > | run. > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > "Wicked96SS" > wrote in message > | > > > > > > > | ... > | > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Does anybody know what the performance numbers are for the RT > | AWD? > | > > I > | > > > > have > | > > > > > > > found several sources for the RWD version, but I am interested > | in > | > > the > | > > > > AWD > | > > > > > > > version, and thought there might (probably) be some parasitic > | loss > | > > > > from > | > > > > > > > the AWD system. > | > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Either way, if anybody has some 0-60 or 1/4mile times and > | speeds, > | > > it > | > > > > would > | > > > > > > > be greatly appreciated. > | > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Thanks! > | > > > > > > > Wicked96SS > | > > > > > > | > > > > > Do you have any numbers to back that up? I did a little research, > | and > | > > the > | > > > > > Magnum as a higher rear end ratio, more power, more torque, and > | weighs > | > > > > > less... I woudl assume that even the AWD version would be > | considerably > | > > > > > faster than the Grand Cherokee... > | > > > > > > | > > > > > Grand Cherokee: > | > > > > > HP: 265 @ 5100 RPMs > | > > > > > TQ: 325 @ 3600 RPMs > | > > > > > WEIGHT: 5150 lbs. > | > > > > > > | > > > > > Dodge Magnum: > | > > > > > HP: 340 @ 5000 RPMs > | > > > > > TQ: 390 @ 4000 RPMs > | > > > > > WEIGHT: 4393 lbs. > | > > > > > > | > > > > > Just curious! > | > > > > > > | > > > > > Thanks! > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > | > > |
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