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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/64236.php
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> Tucson firefighters treat Dorothy Hillgrove, inside the van, and
> Jennifer Monroe, seated on the ground, after a one-vehicle accident.
> Fire officials said Hillgrove apparently hit the gas instead of the
> brake Friday in a parking lot near West Ironwood Hills Drive and North
> Silverbell Road. The van crashed through a low brick wall and a
> railing and landed nose-down in a wash. No one was seriously injured.

I can think one one comment, OLD LADY DRIVEN!!!

Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
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> http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/64236.php
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> Tucson firefighters treat Dorothy Hillgrove, inside the van, and
> Jennifer Monroe, seated on the ground, after a one-vehicle accident.
> Fire officials said Hillgrove apparently hit the gas instead of the
> brake Friday in a parking lot near West Ironwood Hills Drive and North
> Silverbell Road. The van crashed through a low brick wall and a
> railing and landed nose-down in a wash. No one was seriously injured.

It would not have happened with a stickshift transmission.
Ban auto trannys.

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"Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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> Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
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>> http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/64236.php
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>> Tucson firefighters treat Dorothy Hillgrove, inside the van, and
>> Jennifer Monroe, seated on the ground, after a one-vehicle accident.
>> Fire officials said Hillgrove apparently hit the gas instead of the
>> brake Friday in a parking lot near West Ironwood Hills Drive and North
>> Silverbell Road. The van crashed through a low brick wall and a
>> railing and landed nose-down in a wash. No one was seriously injured.
>
> It would not have happened with a stickshift transmission.
> Ban auto trannys.

Sure it would, if you're already moving, and mean to slow down, but instead
jam the gas, you'd still keep going.

Problem isn't auto tranny, the problem is incompetent driver.

"Bill 2" > wrote in
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> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>> Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
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>>> http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/64236.php
>>>
>>> Tucson firefighters treat Dorothy Hillgrove, inside the van, and
>>> Jennifer Monroe, seated on the ground, after a one-vehicle accident.
>>> Fire officials said Hillgrove apparently hit the gas instead of the
>>> brake Friday in a parking lot near West Ironwood Hills Drive and
>>> North Silverbell Road. The van crashed through a low brick wall and
>>> a railing and landed nose-down in a wash. No one was seriously
>>> injured.
>>
>> It would not have happened with a stickshift transmission.
>> Ban auto trannys.
>
> Sure it would, if you're already moving, and mean to slow down, but
> instead jam the gas, you'd still keep going.

No,they would have better control since there's a clutch they would have to
use.Not just stomp-and-go.
(not to mention the lurch common when shifting a auto tranny into
Drive,which is what gets people stomping on the gas when they think they
are pressing the brake.)

AFAIK,there have been zero cases of unintended accelleration in cars with
manual transmissions.
>
> Problem isn't auto tranny, the problem is incompetent driver.
>

Compounded by (or enabled by) an auto tranny.

I note there was no mention of the age of the driver,either.
(a poorly written article)



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"Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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> "Bill 2" > wrote in
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>> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>>> Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
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>>>> http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/64236.php
>>>>
>>>> Tucson firefighters treat Dorothy Hillgrove, inside the van, and
>>>> Jennifer Monroe, seated on the ground, after a one-vehicle accident.
>>>> Fire officials said Hillgrove apparently hit the gas instead of the
>>>> brake Friday in a parking lot near West Ironwood Hills Drive and
>>>> North Silverbell Road. The van crashed through a low brick wall and
>>>> a railing and landed nose-down in a wash. No one was seriously
>>>> injured.
>>>
>>> It would not have happened with a stickshift transmission.
>>> Ban auto trannys.
>>
>> Sure it would, if you're already moving, and mean to slow down, but
>> instead jam the gas, you'd still keep going.
>
> No,they would have better control since there's a clutch they would have
> to
> use.Not just stomp-and-go.

I currently drive an automatic. I don't stomp and go. And if the car
suddenly took off on it's own (assuming I was actually hitting the brake),
I'd still know how to kill it (shift into neutral or turn the ignition off).
Again problem isn't the automatic, it's the driver.

> (not to mention the lurch common when shifting a auto tranny into
> Drive,which is what gets people stomping on the gas when they think they
> are pressing the brake.)

Which is why automotive manufactures were forced to put shift brake
interlocks after the last round of unintended acceleration lawsuits. Even if
you press the brake and the gas down at the same time (satisfying the
interlock), the brakes should overpower the gas.

> AFAIK,there have been zero cases of unintended accelleration in cars with
> manual transmissions.

Old people tend to like automatics. Fix the cause not the symptom.

>>
>> Problem isn't auto tranny, the problem is incompetent driver.
>>
>
> Compounded by (or enabled by) an auto tranny.
>
> I note there was no mention of the age of the driver,either.
> (a poorly written article)

The driver's name was "Dorthy" that puts her as being a fair age, as well
look at the enlargment of the photo. The occupents look old.

"Bill 2" > wrote in
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>> "Bill 2" > wrote in
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>>> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>>>> Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
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>>>>> http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/64236.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Tucson firefighters treat Dorothy Hillgrove, inside the van, and
>>>>> Jennifer Monroe, seated on the ground, after a one-vehicle
>>>>> accident. Fire officials said Hillgrove apparently hit the gas
>>>>> instead of the brake Friday in a parking lot near West Ironwood
>>>>> Hills Drive and North Silverbell Road. The van crashed through a
>>>>> low brick wall and a railing and landed nose-down in a wash. No
>>>>> one was seriously injured.
>>>>
>>>> It would not have happened with a stickshift transmission.
>>>> Ban auto trannys.
>>>
>>> Sure it would, if you're already moving, and mean to slow down, but
>>> instead jam the gas, you'd still keep going.
>>
>> No,they would have better control since there's a clutch they would
>> have to
>> use.Not just stomp-and-go.
>
> I currently drive an automatic. I don't stomp and go.

Essentially,yes you do.

>And if the car
> suddenly took off on it's own (assuming I was actually hitting the
> brake), I'd still know how to kill it (shift into neutral or turn the
> ignition off). Again problem isn't the automatic, it's the driver.

Compounded by the auto tranny.
>
>> (not to mention the lurch common when shifting a auto tranny into
>> Drive,which is what gets people stomping on the gas when they think
>> they are pressing the brake.)
>
> Which is why automotive manufactures were forced to put shift brake
> interlocks after the last round of unintended acceleration lawsuits.
> Even if you press the brake and the gas down at the same time
> (satisfying the interlock), the brakes should overpower the gas.

Yet somehow,people still manage to get unintended accelleration,AND ONLY
with AUTO trannies.

>
>> AFAIK,there have been zero cases of unintended accelleration in cars
>> with manual transmissions.
>
> Old people tend to like automatics.

That's another bonus;get the older folks off the roads.

> Fix the cause not the symptom.

Ah,get the older folks off the road?

(actually,since the UA problem only occurs with auto trannies,banning them
-would be- getting rid of the cause.)
>
>>>
>>> Problem isn't auto tranny, the problem is incompetent driver.
>>>
>>
>> Compounded by (or enabled by) an auto tranny.
>>
>> I note there was no mention of the age of the driver,either.
>> (a poorly written article)
>
> The driver's name was "Dorthy" that puts her as being a fair age, as
> well look at the enlargment of the photo. The occupents look old.
>



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