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"Tony Rickard" > wrote in message
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> Jimster wrote:
>> Looks they made a nice deal with an interesting company....
>>
>> http://www.liveforspeed.net/wtf.html
>>
>> and http://www.liveforspeed.net/countdown/
>>
>> Now we can only hope for other models...
>
> Slightly old news here
>
> I can't get excited about another crack at simulating modern F1. The real
> deal with F1 is the brutal forces on the driver, dealing with the
> acceleration on the body, incredible braking forces allied to neck
> wrenching cornering forces. During all this the driver has to operate the
> controls and make the split second decisions and race other drivers.
>
> To facilitate all that going on computer assists help the driver operate
> the gears (just flick a paddle) and manage the wheelspin via traction
> control.
>
> Strip out the forces on the driver and it just seems like a sped up game
> of reactions, hit the brake markers press a button the prerequisite number
> of times to get down the right gear turn, bury the throttle and let the
> traction control do its things and keep up with the gear changes until the
> next corner. All very frenetic but not quite a true simulation.
>
> Try doing it the real thing and the forces will be trying to pull your
> feet away from the pedals and you will fighting to keep your head in the
> right place let alone steer precisely.
>
> Hence simulated modern F1 has an element of arcade feel because so much is
> lost in the simulation.
>
> Whereas the lower or older formulas have other challenges that can be
> simulated. Throttle control, more pronounced sliding, gear changing,
> fading brakes and so on rather than computers simulating computers. Of
> course F1 includes a hefty strategy element if that is your thing, but for
> me the lower formulas offers more for simulating the experience than F1
> can without some serious hydraulics...
>
> Cheers
> Tony

I see it much differently. For me, there is nothing better in sim racing
than trying to push an F1 car to the *very* limit yet be perfectly smooth,
hit every apex, make perfect shifts, and achieve a top lap time. Then do it
over and over and over in a race. When you do it right, it's a real thrill
ride.

I'll never understand why people prefer slower, poorer handling cars that
slide and drift. I *hate* it when I slide. Sliding tires means I've made a
mistake and ruined a lap. I'm going sideways instead of forward. Also, a car
that slides and drifts and is slower provides a much bigger margin for
error, which *isn't* a good thing IMO. To be honest, I think the bigger
margin for error is the real reason some prefer other series to F1. The
biggest problem I have when in a race with any cars besides an F1 is
eventually fighting off boredom. Any other car (whatever it is) just can't
compare handling wise to an F1 and so I end up getting bored. Schumacher
said once, "I like precise cars, I don't like these heavy things. They are
so slow, and I think they are going too slow for me. I try always to do more
than they can do." I'm not comparing myself to him :-) but I completely
understand what he means by this statement.

I also think you've way oversimplified what it takes to drive a modern F1
car. Even Lauda kept spinning when he was given the chance not too long ago.


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David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" > wrote in
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>
> I'll never understand why people prefer slower, poorer handling cars
> that slide and drift.

Different strokes I guess. I can't abide the BUG look of modern F1
cars...of course the nose-less Ferrari didn't seem to bother me so I can't
be too good a judge. This revives an old argument we've tossed around over
the years...if F1 drivers are so good, why do they need a button to keep
them at the pit lane speed? NAscar drivers can do it with nothing but a
tachometer. If F1 drivers are so good, why do they need Anti-Stall
technology? And we could list about every aid in the car and make some
derogatory comment. But could other drivers make the turns these fellows
do while adjusting the ride height button, the TC button, the brake bias
button etc? F1 drivers are, if nothing else, masters of multi-tasking.
I still watch F1, I still like F1, but I almost NEVER sim it.

dave henrie

> If F1 drivers are so good, why do they need Anti-Stall technology?
> And we could list about every aid in the car and make some derogatory
> comment. But could other drivers make the turns these fellows
> do while adjusting the ride height button, the TC button, the brake bias
> button etc? F1 drivers are, if nothing else, masters of multi-tasking.

The F1 drivers can drive without the aids,it's just slower, and more
incident prone. The cars are very expensive so the owners are part
of the reason for the assists, as they don't want to see there cars
crashed as much as Champ cars do which don't have assists.