Dang Furriners

Arif Khokar > wrote:

["Why do you hate white people?"]

>> Because many white people who are racist are downright stupid
>> and I dislike stupid people in general.


DTJ > responds:

> So then you really hate stupid people, not white people, which
> means you are clearly not a racist.


Not so fast. The question Arif was responding to was "Why do you
hate white people?" His answer clearly carried the implication
that white people are characteristically racist. Otherwise, why
would he have singled out "white people who are racist" rather
than addressing his comment to all people of whatever race who are
racist?

For that matter, how did white people even come up? Arif simply
took it as a given that "racist" == "white."

I've seen this same, revealing slip countless times on the Net:
somebody makes a disparaging comment about some ethnic group or
other, and just like clockwork, a member of that group (or of
some other minority group, in a display of united-front solidarity
among the "oppressed") will respond with an insult against white
people. The funny thing is, that person never has any particular
reason to believe that the original poster is white. It's just
assumed.



Geoff

--
"All my father wanted to do was make a toaster
you could really set the darkness on -- and
you perverted his work into those horrible
machines!" -- Mark Sachs

DTJ > writes:

[to Arif Khokar]

> Who cares. The question is whether you can drive or not.


In Arif's case, I think a more salient question is whether
his car is filled with explosives or not.



Geoff

--
"All my father wanted to do was make a toaster
you could really set the darkness on -- and
you perverted his work into those horrible
machines!" -- Mark Sachs

DTJ > writes:

[to Arif Khokar]

> Who cares. The question is whether you can drive or not.


In Arif's case, I think a more salient question is whether
his car is filled with explosives or not.



Geoff

--
"All my father wanted to do was make a toaster
you could really set the darkness on -- and
you perverted his work into those horrible
machines!" -- Mark Sachs

"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:
>
> On 2 Jan 2005 10:25:50 -0800, (Geoff Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >> My wife waited at a Carson's for help at Christmas, and the sales
> >> ladies of a particular ethnicity ignored her for 10 minutes until
> >> one of their own walked up.
> >
> >Why didn't your wife assert herself, rather than passively waiting
> >to be "noticed?"

Really loudly: "Excuse me, do you work here or are you customers like
me waiting for a salesperson?"

> Personally, I don't appreciate having to NAG lazy clerks to do their
> jobs. I would rather walk out and take my business somewhere where the
> employees understand that how well they take care of the customers has
> a direct relationship to their own livelihoods.

Make sure you tell the manager before you leave -- if managers were
psychic thay'd have much better jobs. Last time I was in a restaurant
with foul service and a required "service" charge I told the manager
that we would have left NO tip if it hadn't been included in the bill
and that there were lots of competent waiters standing in line for that
jerk's job. Hope he got canned.

> >I find that with the quality of service going down everywhere, I
> >have to exert such "guidance" more and more. And I discovered
> >that the more I did it, the easier and more natural it felt.
>
> So what you're saying is that good service is completely nonexistent
> in the Bay Areas.

You win some, you lose some.

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Cheers,
Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
Is it sick to think that 'Commando' is a really fun movie?

"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:
>
> On 2 Jan 2005 10:25:50 -0800, (Geoff Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >> My wife waited at a Carson's for help at Christmas, and the sales
> >> ladies of a particular ethnicity ignored her for 10 minutes until
> >> one of their own walked up.
> >
> >Why didn't your wife assert herself, rather than passively waiting
> >to be "noticed?"

Really loudly: "Excuse me, do you work here or are you customers like
me waiting for a salesperson?"

> Personally, I don't appreciate having to NAG lazy clerks to do their
> jobs. I would rather walk out and take my business somewhere where the
> employees understand that how well they take care of the customers has
> a direct relationship to their own livelihoods.

Make sure you tell the manager before you leave -- if managers were
psychic thay'd have much better jobs. Last time I was in a restaurant
with foul service and a required "service" charge I told the manager
that we would have left NO tip if it hadn't been included in the bill
and that there were lots of competent waiters standing in line for that
jerk's job. Hope he got canned.

> >I find that with the quality of service going down everywhere, I
> >have to exert such "guidance" more and more. And I discovered
> >that the more I did it, the easier and more natural it felt.
>
> So what you're saying is that good service is completely nonexistent
> in the Bay Areas.

You win some, you lose some.

--
Cheers,
Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
Is it sick to think that 'Commando' is a really fun movie?

"Geoff Miller" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> DTJ > writes:
>> Racism is bad. Reverse racism is just as bad, if not worse, because
>> it perpetuates racism.
>
> That's a fact.

Um, I think "reverse racism" is called Tolerance

"Geoff Miller" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> DTJ > writes:
>> Racism is bad. Reverse racism is just as bad, if not worse, because
>> it perpetuates racism.
>
> That's a fact.

Um, I think "reverse racism" is called Tolerance

"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:41:29 -0800, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
>
> >"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2 Jan 2005 10:25:50 -0800, (Geoff Miller)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> My wife waited at a Carson's for help at Christmas, and the sales
> >> >> ladies of a particular ethnicity ignored her for 10 minutes until
> >> >> one of their own walked up.
> >> >
> >> >Why didn't your wife assert herself, rather than passively waiting
> >> >to be "noticed?"
> >
> >Really loudly: "Excuse me, do you work here or are you customers like
> >me waiting for a salesperson?"
>
> That one always works great for me.
>
> >> Personally, I don't appreciate having to NAG lazy clerks to do their
> >> jobs. I would rather walk out and take my business somewhere where the
> >> employees understand that how well they take care of the customers has
> >> a direct relationship to their own livelihoods.
> >
> >Make sure you tell the manager before you leave -- if managers were
> >psychic thay'd have much better jobs. Last time I was in a restaurant
> >with foul service and a required "service" charge I told the manager
> >that we would have left NO tip if it hadn't been included in the bill
> >and that there were lots of competent waiters standing in line for that
> >jerk's job. Hope he got canned.
>
> More than once I've grabbed a comment card and sent it in at my
> earliest convenience. I doubt it has any real effect, though - for
> example, I told Micro Center to get rid of the highlighter-wielding
> Goombahs in the exit vestibule of their Tustin store; they responded
> by buying the guy a chair to sit in and a security guard jacket to
> wear.

That's very different from reporting an incompetent employee -- striking
at the heart of the system takes more than a postcard!

--
Cheers,
Bev
--------------------------------------------
There is no such thing as a foolproof device
because fools are so ingenious.

"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:41:29 -0800, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
>
> >"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2 Jan 2005 10:25:50 -0800, (Geoff Miller)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> My wife waited at a Carson's for help at Christmas, and the sales
> >> >> ladies of a particular ethnicity ignored her for 10 minutes until
> >> >> one of their own walked up.
> >> >
> >> >Why didn't your wife assert herself, rather than passively waiting
> >> >to be "noticed?"
> >
> >Really loudly: "Excuse me, do you work here or are you customers like
> >me waiting for a salesperson?"
>
> That one always works great for me.
>
> >> Personally, I don't appreciate having to NAG lazy clerks to do their
> >> jobs. I would rather walk out and take my business somewhere where the
> >> employees understand that how well they take care of the customers has
> >> a direct relationship to their own livelihoods.
> >
> >Make sure you tell the manager before you leave -- if managers were
> >psychic thay'd have much better jobs. Last time I was in a restaurant
> >with foul service and a required "service" charge I told the manager
> >that we would have left NO tip if it hadn't been included in the bill
> >and that there were lots of competent waiters standing in line for that
> >jerk's job. Hope he got canned.
>
> More than once I've grabbed a comment card and sent it in at my
> earliest convenience. I doubt it has any real effect, though - for
> example, I told Micro Center to get rid of the highlighter-wielding
> Goombahs in the exit vestibule of their Tustin store; they responded
> by buying the guy a chair to sit in and a security guard jacket to
> wear.

That's very different from reporting an incompetent employee -- striking
at the heart of the system takes more than a postcard!

--
Cheers,
Bev
--------------------------------------------
There is no such thing as a foolproof device
because fools are so ingenious.

In article >,
fbloogyudsr > wrote:
>"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:02:38 GMT, DTJ > wrote:
>>>Racism is bad. Reverse racism is just as bad, if not worse, because
>>>it perpetuates racism.
>>
>> But dem ribs is dayam good!
>
>Scott, you and others (although I have DTJ blocked so I shouldn't
>complain about him) are ****ing me off with all this crap. Please
>stop. You can't tell by looking at someone who is a foreigner, you
>can't tell by listening to them, you can't tell from their driving habits,
>etc., etc., etc.

With 100% certainty, no. But you can, in fact, tell with some degree
of accuracy, at least by looking and listening. Claiming that's
"racist" is oversensitivity. Besides, the people of the ethnicity that
stereotypically (and not, IME, without basis in fact) makes some "dayam good"
ribs aren't usually foreign at all.

>There have been some many racist comments on this ng that I'm
>almost to the point of un-subscribing because the general tone is
>so abhorrent to me.

Don't let the door hit you in the behind on the way out.