Going to California!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:48:08 +0000, Christopher Green wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:23:13 -0500, Ed Nuxters > wrote:
>
>>I live in PA. I'm flying out to Ontario, CA and renting a car to go to
>>Palm springs - a convention. Are there any weird laws that I should be
>>aware of? Does anyone know what differences/precautions I should take
>>when renting the car? What abotu differences between driving in PA and
>>CA?
>>This is my first time driving a rental outside Pennsylvania, and I'm a
>>bit nervous. Its about an hour and a half drive from Ontario to Palm
>>Springs and I don't want to get lost. It looks like a straight shot on
>>Interstate 10. I'll have lots and lots of maps, so I don't forsee any
>>real problems.
>
> Nothing really unusual to watch out for. I-10 between Ontario and Palm
> Springs is mostly straight and level and should be wide open much of
> the time.
>
> California is pretty lax about speed limits (but not in the city of
> Palm Springs, expect pretty strict enforcement there) but can be
> strict about seatbelts and child safety seats, and there's a new
> "lights on in the rain" law.

I didn't think so but I figured I'd better check just for the hell of it.
No kids in the car - and its PA law to weat your seatbelt too, and the
staties are strict about that too.
I think my car will have daytime running lights, I'm not sure if fleet
Tauruses, Intrepids do.

>
> A few cities (Indian Wells is one) use red-light cameras; fudge just a
> fraction of a second on one of these and it's a $340 ticket that your
> rental car company will dutifully make sure comes back to haunt you.

Indian Wells is where I'm going. No, I don't run red lights. If its
yellow and I can stop without causing a pileup or getting squashed by the
18 wheeler behind me, I do.

>
> Other than that, don't miss: Hadley's (Cabazon exit), one of the
> biggest selections of dried fruit, nuts, and the like you'll find
> anywhere; Desert Hot Springs Spa (other side of I-10 from Palm
> Springs), best place of all for a day-long soak.

I'll try to stop by.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:24:31 -0800, eastwardbound2003 wrote:

> No Phobia, just very much *aware* of the complete chaos that exists in
> the Southern Californian area. Ed asked for some advice and I gave it
> to him. I'm sure he is aware of the rampant behemoth SUV problem as
> well in S.Cal so I needent get into that. My suggestion to him is to
> rent a Tank in order that he may survive once some **** faced S.Cal
> driver stupendusly rams her *Sequoia* into him while she was chatting
> away on her cell phone.
>
> S.Cal is not exactly the type of place where anyone would want to raise
> their kids. It's not a place that has a quality of life that most
> anyone would find at all acceptable. As of yet, I hope the landslides
> they are having this time of year kills everyone. S.Cal is facing
> right now the most amount of precepitation in history. 25 inches in 1
> day in an area that only gets half that in a whole year.
>


Don't worry folks... I'm not taking this guy seriously.


> Another suggesting is for Ed to bring a can of *MACE* No kidding, it
> could save his life down there where anything could happen. Keep in
> mind that S.Cal IS MEXICO. You can not find a decent job down there
> unless you are fluent in spanish. Spanish is the barbarians language
> accordingly. I strongly suggest that he not associate with the
> mexicans or with the white supremacists down there alike.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:24:31 -0800, eastwardbound2003 wrote:

> No Phobia, just very much *aware* of the complete chaos that exists in
> the Southern Californian area. Ed asked for some advice and I gave it
> to him. I'm sure he is aware of the rampant behemoth SUV problem as
> well in S.Cal so I needent get into that. My suggestion to him is to
> rent a Tank in order that he may survive once some **** faced S.Cal
> driver stupendusly rams her *Sequoia* into him while she was chatting
> away on her cell phone.
>
> S.Cal is not exactly the type of place where anyone would want to raise
> their kids. It's not a place that has a quality of life that most
> anyone would find at all acceptable. As of yet, I hope the landslides
> they are having this time of year kills everyone. S.Cal is facing
> right now the most amount of precepitation in history. 25 inches in 1
> day in an area that only gets half that in a whole year.
>


Don't worry folks... I'm not taking this guy seriously.


> Another suggesting is for Ed to bring a can of *MACE* No kidding, it
> could save his life down there where anything could happen. Keep in
> mind that S.Cal IS MEXICO. You can not find a decent job down there
> unless you are fluent in spanish. Spanish is the barbarians language
> accordingly. I strongly suggest that he not associate with the
> mexicans or with the white supremacists down there alike.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:12 -0800, "fbloogyudsr"
> wrote:

>"Ed Nuxters" > wrote
>>I live in PA. I'm flying out to Ontario, CA and renting a car to go to
>> Palm springs - a convention. Are there any weird laws that I should be
>> aware of? Does anyone know what differences/precautions I should take
>> when renting the car? What abotu differences between driving in PA and
>> CA?
>> This is my first time driving a rental outside Pennsylvania, and I'm a
>> bit nervous. Its about an hour and a half drive from Ontario to Palm
>> Springs and I don't want to get lost. It looks like a straight shot on
>> Interstate 10. I'll have lots and lots of maps, so I don't forsee any
>> real problems.
>
>1) Ignore eastwardbound.
>
>2) drive fast - you will probably find average speeds of 75-85mph.

85 would be higher than average even for I-10 east of Banning. But you
can figure on cruising 75-80 comfortably.

>3) free right turn (and left onto one-way streets) is "mandatory"
>unless you like getting honked at.

Indeed. Right turn on red after stop anywhere it's not posted "no turn
on red" (or against a red arrow). Other drivers anticipate that you
will proceed if you can. But watch out for U-turners coming from the
right at large intersections.

>4) don't pay the insurance stuff on the rental cars unless you're
>paying cash (visa, mc, amex almost all cards cover you, and likely
>your own insurance will, too.)

Agreed. California has some laws that prevent rental car companies
from requiring you to accept damage waivers or putting extra holds on
your credit card if you don't.

>5) no u-turns in most intersections.

Never make a U-turn in the middle of a block, except in an obvious
residential district. But you can make a U-turn at any intersection
that isn't posted "no U-turn" (or has arrows indicating that you
can't).

>6) don't be a llb - frowned on in CA

I-10 west of Indio is mostly 4 lanes each way, sometimes wider. Stay
out of the leftmost lane unless you plan to be the fastest thing on
the road or be tailgated by the people who want to be. Passing on the
right (not the shoulder, but any travel lane to the right) is legal
but neither polite nor safe.

Trucks stick to the rightmost two lanes and have different, lower
speed limits (55 mph, strictly enforced, with heavy penalties over
65). Doing slaloms around trucks is as dangerous as it sounds, so stay
clear of the trucks if you are going faster than they are.

>7) be ready to pay at least $2.20 for regular gas. be sure to choose
>the option to refill before you return the car.

Currently $1.90 or so, but prices change quickly. Cheapest gas in the
desert is usually in Indio. Going back to Ontario, lots of
opportunities to fill up just before the airport.

--
Chris Green

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:12 -0800, "fbloogyudsr"
> wrote:

>"Ed Nuxters" > wrote
>>I live in PA. I'm flying out to Ontario, CA and renting a car to go to
>> Palm springs - a convention. Are there any weird laws that I should be
>> aware of? Does anyone know what differences/precautions I should take
>> when renting the car? What abotu differences between driving in PA and
>> CA?
>> This is my first time driving a rental outside Pennsylvania, and I'm a
>> bit nervous. Its about an hour and a half drive from Ontario to Palm
>> Springs and I don't want to get lost. It looks like a straight shot on
>> Interstate 10. I'll have lots and lots of maps, so I don't forsee any
>> real problems.
>
>1) Ignore eastwardbound.
>
>2) drive fast - you will probably find average speeds of 75-85mph.

85 would be higher than average even for I-10 east of Banning. But you
can figure on cruising 75-80 comfortably.

>3) free right turn (and left onto one-way streets) is "mandatory"
>unless you like getting honked at.

Indeed. Right turn on red after stop anywhere it's not posted "no turn
on red" (or against a red arrow). Other drivers anticipate that you
will proceed if you can. But watch out for U-turners coming from the
right at large intersections.

>4) don't pay the insurance stuff on the rental cars unless you're
>paying cash (visa, mc, amex almost all cards cover you, and likely
>your own insurance will, too.)

Agreed. California has some laws that prevent rental car companies
from requiring you to accept damage waivers or putting extra holds on
your credit card if you don't.

>5) no u-turns in most intersections.

Never make a U-turn in the middle of a block, except in an obvious
residential district. But you can make a U-turn at any intersection
that isn't posted "no U-turn" (or has arrows indicating that you
can't).

>6) don't be a llb - frowned on in CA

I-10 west of Indio is mostly 4 lanes each way, sometimes wider. Stay
out of the leftmost lane unless you plan to be the fastest thing on
the road or be tailgated by the people who want to be. Passing on the
right (not the shoulder, but any travel lane to the right) is legal
but neither polite nor safe.

Trucks stick to the rightmost two lanes and have different, lower
speed limits (55 mph, strictly enforced, with heavy penalties over
65). Doing slaloms around trucks is as dangerous as it sounds, so stay
clear of the trucks if you are going faster than they are.

>7) be ready to pay at least $2.20 for regular gas. be sure to choose
>the option to refill before you return the car.

Currently $1.90 or so, but prices change quickly. Cheapest gas in the
desert is usually in Indio. Going back to Ontario, lots of
opportunities to fill up just before the airport.

--
Chris Green

"Christopher Green" > wrote
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:12 -0800, "fbloogyudsr"

>>5) no u-turns in most intersections.
>
> Never make a U-turn in the middle of a block, except in an obvious
> residential district. But you can make a U-turn at any intersection
> that isn't posted "no U-turn" (or has arrows indicating that you
> can't).

I got it backward, sorry. First time my son did a u-turn in the
middle of a block (legal up here in WA) he got talked to by his
college roommates.

Floyd

"Christopher Green" > wrote
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:12 -0800, "fbloogyudsr"

>>5) no u-turns in most intersections.
>
> Never make a U-turn in the middle of a block, except in an obvious
> residential district. But you can make a U-turn at any intersection
> that isn't posted "no U-turn" (or has arrows indicating that you
> can't).

I got it backward, sorry. First time my son did a u-turn in the
middle of a block (legal up here in WA) he got talked to by his
college roommates.

Floyd

On 11 Jan 2005 22:40:51 -0800,

>
>Ed Nuxters wrote:
>> I live in PA. I'm flying out to Ontario, CA and renting a car to go
>to
>> Palm springs - a convention. Are there any weird laws that I should
>be
>> aware of? Does anyone know what differences/precautions I should
>take
>> when renting the car? What abotu differences between driving in PA
>and
>> CA?
>> This is my first time driving a rental outside Pennsylvania, and I'm
>a
>> bit nervous. Its about an hour and a half drive from Ontario to Palm
>> Springs and I don't want to get lost. It looks like a straight shot
>on
>> Interstate 10. I'll have lots and lots of maps, so I don't forsee
>any
>> real problems.
>
>
>Right now is not a good time. Floods, torrential downpours,
>flashfloods, landslides, closed roads, highways and freeways.
>
>for the drive beware of dustroms. Be particularly weary of the
>mexicans. They will just as easily stab you in the back as easily as
>they wouldn't. Watch your stuff, lock up all valuables, watch of
>mexican pick pocketers and cartheives. On the highways be weary of
>mexican wet-back style gardener pick up trucks. The kind with the lawn
>mower on the back. Mexican truck drivers drive really ****ty and the
>cholas (female) mexicans are ever worse. Beware of ricer burners.
>(underpowered honda civics with racing stickers and lowered suspension)
>they will cut you off and cause accidents. Road rage is a serious
>issue in California so don't ever make eye contact especially with the
>vietnames and with the mexicans. White male fags in their BMW's should
>also be avoided too.


Wow - California sounds like paradise. Instead of having to worry about
everyone else, you only have to watch out for Mexicans, fags, and rice
burners.

>
>Also the KKK is very previlent in Palm Springs. They try to keep a low
>profile but all of those age old white men who love golf so much are
>very racist.

Unlike you, of course.


> Palm Springs, desert hot springs, and plam desert alike.
>So be weary of that as well.
>
>And once again be weary of mexican pickpocketers and car theives who
>are breeding like fleas in the Southern California area. IOW don't
>associate with the mexicans at all costs. Don't talk to them either,
>they wouldn't understand a word of english anyway. 10 times out of 10
>the mexican thieve, beggar is an illegal alien anyway.

I'm pretty ****ing weary of your crap.

On 11 Jan 2005 22:40:51 -0800,

>
>Ed Nuxters wrote:
>> I live in PA. I'm flying out to Ontario, CA and renting a car to go
>to
>> Palm springs - a convention. Are there any weird laws that I should
>be
>> aware of? Does anyone know what differences/precautions I should
>take
>> when renting the car? What abotu differences between driving in PA
>and
>> CA?
>> This is my first time driving a rental outside Pennsylvania, and I'm
>a
>> bit nervous. Its about an hour and a half drive from Ontario to Palm
>> Springs and I don't want to get lost. It looks like a straight shot
>on
>> Interstate 10. I'll have lots and lots of maps, so I don't forsee
>any
>> real problems.
>
>
>Right now is not a good time. Floods, torrential downpours,
>flashfloods, landslides, closed roads, highways and freeways.
>
>for the drive beware of dustroms. Be particularly weary of the
>mexicans. They will just as easily stab you in the back as easily as
>they wouldn't. Watch your stuff, lock up all valuables, watch of
>mexican pick pocketers and cartheives. On the highways be weary of
>mexican wet-back style gardener pick up trucks. The kind with the lawn
>mower on the back. Mexican truck drivers drive really ****ty and the
>cholas (female) mexicans are ever worse. Beware of ricer burners.
>(underpowered honda civics with racing stickers and lowered suspension)
>they will cut you off and cause accidents. Road rage is a serious
>issue in California so don't ever make eye contact especially with the
>vietnames and with the mexicans. White male fags in their BMW's should
>also be avoided too.


Wow - California sounds like paradise. Instead of having to worry about
everyone else, you only have to watch out for Mexicans, fags, and rice
burners.

>
>Also the KKK is very previlent in Palm Springs. They try to keep a low
>profile but all of those age old white men who love golf so much are
>very racist.

Unlike you, of course.


> Palm Springs, desert hot springs, and plam desert alike.
>So be weary of that as well.
>
>And once again be weary of mexican pickpocketers and car theives who
>are breeding like fleas in the Southern California area. IOW don't
>associate with the mexicans at all costs. Don't talk to them either,
>they wouldn't understand a word of english anyway. 10 times out of 10
>the mexican thieve, beggar is an illegal alien anyway.

I'm pretty ****ing weary of your crap.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:35:11 -0500, Ed Nuxters >

>
>I have a fetish for latin women though... Something about that bronze
>skin and pouty lips just make me wanna BURST!
>
>I never had Viet. food. Is it any good?

Yes.

>Know any good places in Palm
>Springs

Not me.

>
>>
>> Also the KKK is very previlent in Palm Springs. They try to keep a low
>> profile but all of those age old white men who love golf so much are
>> very racist. Palm Springs, desert hot springs, and plam desert alike.
>> So be weary of that as well.
>
>Cool. I'm Jewish, so we can talk politics.
>

Too bad you're not a black Jewish Mexican - then y'all would really have
something to talk about.

>>
>> And once again be weary of mexican pickpocketers and car theives who
>> are breeding like fleas in the Southern California area. IOW don't
>> associate with the mexicans at all costs. Don't talk to them either,
>> they wouldn't understand a word of english anyway. 10 times out of 10
>> the mexican thieve, beggar is an illegal alien anyway.
>
>18 year old Hot mexican chicks can stick their hands in my pockets anyday
>of the week.

You might need to go to Tijuana for that.


>Green card or no.