$74,000

"Toby Groves" > wrote in message
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> In article >, Tha Ghee
> > writes
> >"Randy S" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500
> >>
> >> Well, then again the A8 compares to the S-class, not the E-class.
> >Compare the A6 to the E-class to be fair...
> >>
> >> Randy
> >
> >but the A-8 has no V-12 so how can it compare to the S-class??
>
> You mean the S-Class has no W-16, so how can it compare to the A-8?
> --
> Toby

the A8 doesn't have a W-16 here, only the V-8

"Tha Ghee" > wrote in message >...
> "Toby Groves" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Tha Ghee
> > > writes
> > >"Randy S" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> >a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500
> > >>
> > >> Well, then again the A8 compares to the S-class, not the E-class.
> Compare the A6 to the E-class to be fair...
> > >>
> > >> Randy
> > >
> > >but the A-8 has no V-12 so how can it compare to the S-class??
> >
> > You mean the S-Class has no W-16, so how can it compare to the A-8?
> > --
> > Toby
>
> the A8 doesn't have a W-16 here, only the V-8

the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
honest mistake

[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]

>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>honest mistake

However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.

>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
>

Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> >the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
> >it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
> >honest mistake
>
> However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.
>
> >[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> >I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
> >
>
> Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
> benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.

I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
with this config what are the true benefits??

>I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.

You're potentially talking hundreds of millions of dollars in development
costs.

>with this config what are the true benefits??

It's "footprint". The VR/W configurations make the engines narrower and allows
VW/Audi to squeeze them into places were an engine that size normally would not
fit. The 2.8 Litre VR6 fitted to the Golf/GTi/Jetta is an example of this, as
is the W8 in the Passat.

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
...
> >I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
>
> You're potentially talking hundreds of millions of dollars in development
> costs.
>
> >with this config what are the true benefits??
>
> It's "footprint". The VR/W configurations make the engines narrower and
allows VW/Audi to squeeze them into places were an engine that size normally
would not fit. The 2.8 Litre VR6 fitted to the Golf/GTi/Jetta is an example
of this, as is the W8 in the Passat.

just take the V-12 from Lambo, and tune it for a luxo sedan.

I understand the width & length angle, but what are any benefits, between
some savings in development time, and small size. they seem to be a little
low on power compared to a "traditional" layout, and they seem to have a
little more harshness vibration.

Tha Ghee wrote:

> "Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>>>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>>>honest mistake
>>
>>However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.
>>
>>
>>>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>>>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
>>>
>>
>>Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
>>benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.
>
>
> I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.

Um, why? 12 cylinders is 12 cylinders. 6 liters is 6 liters. There is
nothing inherently "better", performance-wise, about a V-layout vs. a
W-layout, and the W has advantages in terms of package size.

--
Mike Smith

"Mike Smith" > wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee wrote:
>
> > I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
>
> Um, why? 12 cylinders is 12 cylinders. 6 liters is 6 liters. There is
> nothing inherently "better", performance-wise, about a V-layout vs. a
> W-layout, and the W has advantages in terms of package size.
>
> --
> Mike Smith
>
no, not all engines are the same, if you drive a W-8 back to back with a V-8
the W-8 will not be as smooth, it has odd firing sequence.

no on the V-12 vs. W-12, the V-12 is second most if not smoothest engine on
the planet. when you take to buzzy VR-6s and put them at a weird angle they
need to put different dampeners on them when a V-12 wouldn't need this
appliance.

yes there are many differences in terms of performance for V-12 vs. W-12
just look at the charts.

if you look I said besides packing efficiency what are the major benefits of
a "W" engine.

In article >, Avantium
> writes
>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>honest mistake

Sorry about that.

>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]

Yeah, my comments were somewhat tongue-in-cheek. The comment was made
that since the S-class had a V12 available and the A8 did not, then it
must be a better car. I was simply responding to this by saying the A8
has a W12 available/coming, so does this make it a better car than the
Merc?
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Toby

Avantium wrote:
>
> [kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]

"Big and piggish"? The whole point of the W design is its compactness -
it's only about as long as a V8.

--
Mike Smith