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Old February 2nd 05, 01:01 AM
Bradburn Fentress
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"GRL" > wrote in message
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> Not true . The Merc diesel, a VERY good one, costs the same or less than
> the V6 gas engine and is more powerful...real torque monster. If I were to
> get a Merc, it would be their diesel. o question.


We were talking about BMW diesels. Everyone already knows Merc holds their
prices regardless on diesels. BMW doesn't and that was the point of the
question.



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Old February 2nd 05, 03:35 AM
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"GRL" > wrote
> Not true . The Merc diesel, a VERY good one, costs the same or less than
> the V6 gas engine and is more powerful...real torque monster. If I were to
> get a Merc, it would be their diesel. o question.
>
> The cost of oil changes is trivial considering the much better mileage
> numbers of a good diesel.


Not in the US. The E320CDI costs almost $2000 *more* than the E320.
And is not available in many states, including California. At about 25%
better fuel mileage, it would take well over 100K miles before you broke
even (assuming that premium unleaded and diesel are the same price.)

Floyd

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Old February 2nd 05, 03:51 AM
Dan Drake
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:35:18 -0800, "fbloogyudsr"
> wrote:

>"GRL" > wrote
>> Not true . The Merc diesel, a VERY good one, costs the same or less than
>> the V6 gas engine and is more powerful...real torque monster. If I were to
>> get a Merc, it would be their diesel. o question.
>>
>> The cost of oil changes is trivial considering the much better mileage
>> numbers of a good diesel.

>
>Not in the US. The E320CDI costs almost $2000 *more* than the E320.
>And is not available in many states, including California. At about 25%
>better fuel mileage, it would take well over 100K miles before you broke
>even (assuming that premium unleaded and diesel are the same price.)


Pennsylvania, where I am in the US right now, premium petrol is about
$2.10 a (US) gallon, and diesel is about $2.30. Regular petrol is
about $1.90/gallon.
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Old February 2nd 05, 04:48 PM
Bradburn Fentress
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"Dan Drake" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:35:18 -0800, "fbloogyudsr"
> > wrote:
>
>>"GRL" > wrote
>>> Not true . The Merc diesel, a VERY good one, costs the same or less than
>>> the V6 gas engine and is more powerful...real torque monster. If I were
>>> to
>>> get a Merc, it would be their diesel. o question.
>>>
>>> The cost of oil changes is trivial considering the much better mileage
>>> numbers of a good diesel.

>>
>>Not in the US. The E320CDI costs almost $2000 *more* than the E320.
>>And is not available in many states, including California. At about 25%
>>better fuel mileage, it would take well over 100K miles before you broke
>>even (assuming that premium unleaded and diesel are the same price.)

>
> Pennsylvania, where I am in the US right now, premium petrol is about
> $2.10 a (US) gallon, and diesel is about $2.30. Regular petrol is
> about $1.90/gallon.


Man, it's a crazy world. Here in Denver premium is around 2.10 and diesel is
running 1.95. I pay attention because my pickup is diesel.


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Old February 2nd 05, 10:38 PM
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In Finland, for example X5 3.0d is cheaper than X5 3.0. You do not pay any
premium for diesel and savings start immediately.

BR:Z


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Old February 3rd 05, 03:04 AM
tech27
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Do a google for reviews. BMW diesel engines are considered the best out
there. The one in the current Euro 530 (545?) is said to be the industry
benchmark for flawless performance and drivability.


"GT" > wrote in message
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> Please share your good and bad experiences about the 3.0 liter diesel as
> found in the 330 d or 530 d.
> I'm considering to buy a 330 xd built in 2001 with 100,000 kilometers and
> I
> don't want to do a mistake.
> Thanks for replying
>
> --
> Best regards.
> Giovanni Tarantino
> Switzerland
> 1997 Audi A4 2.8 Q 235,000 km (145,000 miles)
> 1997 BMW 535i 234,000 km (144,000 miles)
>
>



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Old February 3rd 05, 03:55 AM
GRL
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I read the article. The writer was very excited about the diesel's
performance and wished it was sold here, in th U.S.

Driving a diesel is doubtless a different experience from a gas engine.
The gas engine offers the fun of high revs. The diesel offers the
pleasure of massive low end grunt...and better mileage. Both are good
things.

- GRL

Bradburn Fentress wrote:
> "GRL" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>A U.S. car book, I think it was Autoweek, tried one in Michigan that BMW
>>had brought into the U.S. (not sold here - image clash) and the writer
>>almost wet his pants with excitement about how good it was.

>
>
> That's not true. The 535d gets good reviews here for the powerplant in
> comparison to where diesel engines used to be, but less than exciting
> reviews for the performance.
>
> I can't think of one review in America in which the writer preferred BMW's
> new diesels over the "instant on' performance of the petrol engines. Mostly
> they think it cool that BMW can make diesel engines this good. Not simply
> engines this good.
>
>

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Old February 3rd 05, 04:42 AM
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GRL wrote:
> Driving a diesel is doubtless a different experience from a gas engine.
> The gas engine offers the fun of high revs. The diesel offers the
> pleasure of massive low end grunt...and better mileage. Both are good
> things.


An even better experience is driving a big V8 gas engine with massive
grunt! :-)
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Old February 3rd 05, 11:00 AM
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"JimV" > wrote in message
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> GRL wrote:
>> Driving a diesel is doubtless a different experience from a gas engine.
>> The gas engine offers the fun of high revs. The diesel offers the
>> pleasure of massive low end grunt...and better mileage. Both are good
>> things.

>
> An even better experience is driving a big V8 gas engine with massive
> grunt! :-)


For the same grunt as the latest BMW twin turbo diesel 3.0, in 535 cars, you
will need a really massive V8. Then the fuel economy advantage of the diesel
would really stand out.

Huw


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Old February 3rd 05, 03:08 PM
The Malt Hound
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"GRL" > wrote in message
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>I read the article. The writer was very excited about the diesel's
>performance and wished it was sold here, in th U.S.
>
> Driving a diesel is doubtless a different experience from a gas
> engine. The gas engine offers the fun of high revs. The diesel
> offers the pleasure of massive low end grunt...and better mileage.
> Both are good things.
>


Having never driven a turbo diesel, how much is it like driving a SAAB
turbo gas engine? Have you ever driven one of those? Your
description is amazingly similar. Lots of low rpm torque (once the
boost kicks in, which isn't long on most SAABs) but it does not
spin-up to high rpms like a BMW gas engine.

-Fred W


 




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