Bulk vs. Bottled oil at places like Jiffy Lube

Elmo P. Shagnasty > wrote:
>In article . com>,
> z > wrote:
>
>> The secon biggest variable is the talent of whoever's doing
>> the work. You don't think the dealer is putting his best men on the
>> problem of oil changing, I hope.
>
>They do in my case. Most dealers have a newbie doing it, but my
>dealership simply has the regular mechanics do it.
>
>I'm happy, because (a) my regular mechanic does it, and (b) he's putting
>his practiced eye underneath the car as he does so. It all works out
>very well.

My regular mechanic has his 13-year-old kid doing it this summer. The kid
is very good, too. I'd trust him over most of the dealer techs.
--scott
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On Aug 17, 9:46 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> My regular mechanic has his 13-year-old kid doing it this summer. The kid
> is very good, too. I'd trust him over most of the dealer techs.

I'm convinced people are at their sharpest around that age, just
before the hormones kick in and fog your mind.

On Aug 16, 5:03 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" >
wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
> z > wrote:
> > The secon biggest variable is the talent of whoever's doing
> > the work. You don't think the dealer is putting his best men on the
> > problem of oil changing, I hope.
>
> They do in my case. Most dealers have a newbie doing it, but my
> dealership simply has the regular mechanics do it.
>
> I'm happy, because (a) my regular mechanic does it, and (b) he's putting
> his practiced eye underneath the car as he does so. It all works out
> very well.

This is why I prefer to have a small shop do it, because a good tech
can sometimes spot stuff that he's not even looking for, e.g. "there's
some grease on the inside of your LF wheel, I checked it out and your
CV boot has a little tear in it, want me to go ahead and replace it
before it becomes a problem?"

Last time I had the corner guy look at my truck, he identified a
vacuum issue with my HVAC controls (which I knew about) and fixed it
for about $40 which was fine by me because it would have taken me
longer than a half hour to trace it out.

nate

Elmo P. Shagnasty > wrote:
>In article >,
> (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> >I'm happy, because (a) my regular mechanic does it, and (b) he's putting
>> >his practiced eye underneath the car as he does so. It all works out
>> >very well.
>>
>> My regular mechanic has his 13-year-old kid doing it this summer. The kid
>> is very good, too. I'd trust him over most of the dealer techs.
>
>And there's no question his dad is keeping an eagle eye on things behind
>his back.

Absolutely, but the kid can do it as fast as I can at this point. Considering
maybe half of the stuff they get in the shop are cars with canister filters,
that's saying something.
--scott
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i do it myself and save money. for the price to pay somebody to change your
oil i go to walmart buy a fram oil filter and a 5 quart bottle of castrol
syntec full synthetic oil and change it myself and i know it's done right.
and my oil stays cleaner longer than those shops that plug up the drain plug
before everything is even drained out. read your owners manual and get a
haynes repair manual and go at it.

-jeff


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article .com>,
> N8N > wrote:
>
> > > I'm happy, because (a) my regular mechanic does it, and (b) he's
putting
> > > his practiced eye underneath the car as he does so. It all works out
> > > very well.
> >
> > This is why I prefer to have a small shop do it, because a good tech
> > can sometimes spot stuff that he's not even looking for, e.g. "there's
> > some grease on the inside of your LF wheel, I checked it out and your
> > CV boot has a little tear in it, want me to go ahead and replace it
> > before it becomes a problem?"
>
> The exact thing happened to me several years ago, thanks to the
> experienced eye of a long time regular tech.
>

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article > ,
> "Jeff" > wrote:
>
>
>>i do it myself and save money. for the price to pay somebody to change your
>>oil i go to walmart buy a fram oil filter and a 5 quart bottle of castrol
>>syntec full synthetic oil and change it myself and i know it's done right.
>
>
> I use a 25 year veteran mechanic who has been a Honda guy for that whole
> time. I sit there and watch while he does it, and we shoot the ****.
> He's a friend of mine now. He's the only guy I let touch my Hondas.
>
> I know it's done right, because I watched. And I get many benefits from
> doing it that way, benefits that are more than paid for by that extra
> few bucks I pay for labor.
>

Somehow I missed the post that you replied to, but I feel compelled to
reply... if you're using Fram filters, you're not doing it right. Fram
is a triumph of marketing over quality...

nate

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On Aug 18, 10:51 pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > In article > ,
> > "Jeff" > wrote:
>
> >>i do it myself and save money. for the price to pay somebody to change your
> >>oil i go to walmart buy a fram oil filter and a 5 quart bottle of castrol
> >>syntec full synthetic oil and change it myself and i know it's done right.
>
> > I use a 25 year veteran mechanic who has been a Honda guy for that whole
> > time. I sit there and watch while he does it, and we shoot the ****.
> > He's a friend of mine now. He's the only guy I let touch my Hondas.
>
> > I know it's done right, because I watched. And I get many benefits from
> > doing it that way, benefits that are more than paid for by that extra
> > few bucks I pay for labor.
>
> Somehow I missed the post that you replied to, but I feel compelled to
> reply... if you're using Fram filters, you're not doing it right. Fram
> is a triumph of marketing over quality...
>
> nate
>
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If I remember correctly ? Fram has gone an ownership change recently
according to other NG`s I read and the quality of their oil filters
has improved dramaticaly according to all reports ?

Someone cut a Fram filter in half to inspect the internals and found
it has all the same quality ingredients as the more expensive "name "
brands.

I dont know how true this is but seems where theres smoke theres fire

mred wrote:
>
> On Aug 18, 10:51 pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> > Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > > In article > ,
> > > "Jeff" > wrote:
> >
> > >>i do it myself and save money. for the price to pay somebody to change your
> > >>oil i go to walmart buy a fram oil filter and a 5 quart bottle of castrol
> > >>syntec full synthetic oil and change it myself and i know it's done right.
> >
> > > I use a 25 year veteran mechanic who has been a Honda guy for that whole
> > > time. I sit there and watch while he does it, and we shoot the ****.
> > > He's a friend of mine now. He's the only guy I let touch my Hondas.
> >
> > > I know it's done right, because I watched. And I get many benefits from
> > > doing it that way, benefits that are more than paid for by that extra
> > > few bucks I pay for labor.
> >
> > Somehow I missed the post that you replied to, but I feel compelled to
> > reply... if you're using Fram filters, you're not doing it right. Fram
> > is a triumph of marketing over quality...
> >
> > nate
> >
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> If I remember correctly ? Fram has gone an ownership change recently
> according to other NG`s I read and the quality of their oil filters
> has improved dramaticaly according to all reports ?
>
> Someone cut a Fram filter in half to inspect the internals and found
> it has all the same quality ingredients as the more expensive "name "
> brands.
>
> I dont know how true this is but seems where theres smoke theres fire

The "How it's made" series that runs on the various Discovery Networks
channels has episodes showing production of the Fram air and oil
filters. The www.howitismade.net site seems to have better listings than
the Discovery site. The oil filter episode looks like it's coming up in
the rotation next weekend.

mred wrote:
> On Aug 18, 10:51 pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>
>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>In article > ,
>>> "Jeff" > wrote:
>>
>>>>i do it myself and save money. for the price to pay somebody to change your
>>>>oil i go to walmart buy a fram oil filter and a 5 quart bottle of castrol
>>>>syntec full synthetic oil and change it myself and i know it's done right.
>>
>>>I use a 25 year veteran mechanic who has been a Honda guy for that whole
>>>time. I sit there and watch while he does it, and we shoot the ****.
>>>He's a friend of mine now. He's the only guy I let touch my Hondas.
>>
>>>I know it's done right, because I watched. And I get many benefits from
>>>doing it that way, benefits that are more than paid for by that extra
>>>few bucks I pay for labor.
>>
>>Somehow I missed the post that you replied to, but I feel compelled to
>>reply... if you're using Fram filters, you're not doing it right. Fram
>>is a triumph of marketing over quality...
>>
>>nate
>>
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>
>
> If I remember correctly ? Fram has gone an ownership change recently
> according to other NG`s I read and the quality of their oil filters
> has improved dramaticaly according to all reports ?
>
> Someone cut a Fram filter in half to inspect the internals and found
> it has all the same quality ingredients as the more expensive "name "
> brands.
>
> I dont know how true this is but seems where theres smoke theres fire
>
>

It's not recently, it was years ago they got bought out by someone, I
forget who. But my comments stem from personal experience, their
anti-drainback valves simply don't work, at least on a slant six MoPar
application. I've also heard of them blowing apart at the seams on
engines who develop higher-than-normal (>100 PSI) oil pressure on a cold
start, like VWs, but that part is anecdotal.

nate

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Pete C. wrote:
> mred wrote:
>
>>On Aug 18, 10:51 pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>>
>>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article > ,
>>>> "Jeff" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>i do it myself and save money. for the price to pay somebody to change your
>>>>>oil i go to walmart buy a fram oil filter and a 5 quart bottle of castrol
>>>>>syntec full synthetic oil and change it myself and i know it's done right.
>>>
>>>>I use a 25 year veteran mechanic who has been a Honda guy for that whole
>>>>time. I sit there and watch while he does it, and we shoot the ****.
>>>>He's a friend of mine now. He's the only guy I let touch my Hondas.
>>>
>>>>I know it's done right, because I watched. And I get many benefits from
>>>>doing it that way, benefits that are more than paid for by that extra
>>>>few bucks I pay for labor.
>>>
>>>Somehow I missed the post that you replied to, but I feel compelled to
>>>reply... if you're using Fram filters, you're not doing it right. Fram
>>>is a triumph of marketing over quality...
>>>
>>>nate
>>>
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>>If I remember correctly ? Fram has gone an ownership change recently
>>according to other NG`s I read and the quality of their oil filters
>>has improved dramaticaly according to all reports ?
>>
>>Someone cut a Fram filter in half to inspect the internals and found
>>it has all the same quality ingredients as the more expensive "name "
>>brands.
>>
>>I dont know how true this is but seems where theres smoke theres fire
>
>
> The "How it's made" series that runs on the various Discovery Networks
> channels has episodes showing production of the Fram air and oil
> filters. The www.howitismade.net site seems to have better listings than
> the Discovery site. The oil filter episode looks like it's coming up in
> the rotation next weekend.

I'll have to try to catch that!

nate

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