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  #11  
Old December 6th 04, 08:35 AM
Garth Almgren
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Around 12/5/2004 8:53 PM, Backyard Mechanic wrote:

> quote:
> "Chevrolet marketing director Jim Campbell says <snip>
> "The Monte Carlo is capturing part of that market," Campbell says,
> pointing out the coupe's success on the NASCAR circuit."
>
> Yeah, sure... whatever!


Lord.

Anybody want to inform Mr. Campbell that one of the only things the
NASCAR Monte Carlo has in common with the showroom version is a cursory
passing resemblance?


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  #12  
Old December 6th 04, 01:27 PM
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You forgot to add
that "New car smell"

*wink*

Kate

"Backyard Mechanic" > wrote in message
...
| Cory Dunkle
|
| >
| > Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get another
| > vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no good.
| > Too difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, older
| > cars are cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, cheaper
| > parts cost, and easy to do the work yourself.
| >
| > Cory
| >
|
| You're still 20 or so, i'm still 40 years older than you and you are
still,
| absolutely, positively, 100 % W R O N G!!!!!!!!!
|
| All your "reasons" only point out your lack of confidence in yourself..
| sorry, but that's what it's about


  #13  
Old December 6th 04, 01:30 PM
SVTKate
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"Jim Warman" > wrote
|
| OTOH, where I live it drops to -40F and colder..... the last thing I need
is
| a truck that turns itself off whenever it stops moving.

The thing that popped into my head when I read that part was the "what if"
factor.
For example, what if, you are at a stop light and you see this guy barreling
straight at you and your only option is to stomp
on the throttle to get out of the way.... and your truck is turned off.

*shudder*



Hybrids are great
| for urban use but out here, a warm cab can be the difference between
living
| and dying.
|
|
| "351CJ" > wrote in message news:fsSsd.147$wE.59@trnddc01...
| > > "Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Backyard Mechanic" > wrote in message
| >> ...
| >> > Cory Dunkle
| >> >
| >> > >
| >> > > Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get
| >> > > another
| >> > > vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no
| > good.
| >> > > Too difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also,
| >> > > older
| >> > > cars are cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost,
| > cheaper
| >> > > parts cost, and easy to do the work yourself.
| >> > >
| >> > > Cory
| >> >
| >> > You're still 20 or so, i'm still 40 years older than you and you are
| >> still,
| >> > absolutely, positively, 100 % W R O N G!!!!!!!!!
| >> >
| >> > All your "reasons" only point out your lack of confidence in
yourself..
| >> > sorry, but that's what it's about
| >>
| >> Well you're totally wrong there, because I have confidence in myself
and
| > my
| >> ability to repair my vehicle. For those thigns I am not so sure of, I
ask
| >> and take my time doing. Thw two modern vehicles I drove were a
nightmare
| > to
| >> work on. Totaly not user-friendly. As far as reliability, the modenr
one
| >> that was fuel injected required me to pour gas down the throttle body
on
| >> cold mornings. Never had to do that with any of my carbed cars, ever.
| > Also,
| >> my insurance was significantly more expensive with either of the
| >> econo-box
| >> type modern cars I drove than it was with my Galaxie, a comfortable
| >> full-size car with a respectable amount of get-up-and-go.
| >>
| >> Go ahead and tell me it's more expensive for me to own a classic car I
| >> pay
| >> less than $2500 for than it is to buy a brand new car I pay $20,000+
for.
| >> I'd rather pay for my car all at once in cash than over 5-10 years.
Your
| >> logic seems quite flawed to me. Go ahead and explain to me how I am
100%
| >> wrong about a new, or newer car being more expensive to own. I'm
| > listening.
| >>
| >> I won't deny brand new cars are normally very reliable for quite a few
| >> years, but once things start wearing out it becomes very expensive.
Even
| >> many parts for modenr cars are a lot more expensive. To troubleshoot a
| >> modern car often requires a code reader, another expense. Too much
hassle
| >> and extra cost for me. I'd rather stick to what I know and what has not
| > let
| >> me down.
| >>
| >> Cory
| >>
| > Cory,
| >
| > You should have zipped it while you were behind, your reply did nothing
to
| > support you original position.
| > Your statements examples and attitude are misguided and very
unflattering.
| >
| > You boorish rebuttal leaves you in a very poor light...
| >
| > BTW:
| > I have driven many fuel injected cars & trucks into the many 100's of
| > thousands of miles and converted 2 from Carbureted to Fuel Injected, and
| > have NEVER had to pour gas down any of them...
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|


  #14  
Old December 6th 04, 03:03 PM
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"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
...
: "Fao, Sean" -WANT-NO-SPAM> wrote in message
: ...
: > Patrick wrote:
: > > A cool way to help save the planet.
: > >
: > > http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101272
: >
: > I'm staying away from it until the bugs are found and worked out. It is
: > nice to see some larger vehicles jumping on the band wagon. And with
: > 295-hp, 335-lb-ft torque, it doesn't look too shabby.
:
: Seems a bit low on torque for a 5,000+ lb vehicle, but I suppose torque is
: typical of the relatively small ejgine it has. I suppose they make up for
it
: with gearing, being as how it has an overdrive transmission.
:
: Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get another
: vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no good.
Too
: difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, older cars
are
: cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, cheaper parts
cost,
: and easy to do the work yourself.
:
: Cory
:
Yeah, and don't worry about all the crap your 30-year-old engine is pouring
into the atmosphere, while burning about twice as much gas per mile as a
modern car.

Paul


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Old December 6th 04, 04:02 PM
MadDAWG
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> The thing that popped into my head when I read that part was the "what if"
> factor.
> For example, what if, you are at a stop light and you see this guy

barreling
> straight at you and your only option is to stomp
> on the throttle to get out of the way.... and your truck is turned off.


I followed one of those Civic hybrids and it being stuck behind him at a
stop light sucked. I'm not sure if it was the car or the driver, but I'd
love to race people with those kind of reaction times at the strip. I might
actualy have a chance.

MadDAWG


  #16  
Old December 6th 04, 06:32 PM
Garth Almgren
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Around 12/6/2004 4:30 AM, SVTKate wrote:

> For example, what if, you are at a stop light and you see this guy barreling
> straight at you and your only option is to stomp
> on the throttle to get out of the way.... and your truck is turned off.
>
> *shudder*


Why? Hybrids have a decent amount of torque straight off the line even
with the gas engine off, since that's primarily when they use their
electric motors.

It is a little disconcerting to be sitting in what seems like a dead car
at a light, but if you plant your foot it'll take off quick enough. At
least on my cousin's first generation Prius, the gas engine doesn't even
kick in until 25 MPH or so.


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  #17  
Old December 6th 04, 07:58 PM
RichA
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On 5 Dec 2004 18:37:02 -0800, (Patrick) wrote:

>A cool way to help save the planet.
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101272
>
>Patrick
>'93 Cobra
>'83 LTD


Maybe Chrysler will use it too? I hear one of their pickups
gets about 9mpg.
-Rich
  #18  
Old December 6th 04, 11:09 PM
GEB
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Cory Dunkle wrote:
>
> Yep. Sadly NASCAR died a long, long time ago. Those aren't real cars on the
> track, and all these new rule changes and BS make it even worse.
>
> Cory
>


Yep...Remember the first season the Tarus hit the track? The Chebby's
couldn't keep up with them. So what happened? The Chebby guys cried to
NASCAR, and NASCAR took some spoiler away from the Fords. Call that fair
racing? I quit following NASCAR for this reason. I feel that if they
start a season with a set of rules, they should use those rules for the
whole season. If a certain car can't keep up with the others, then the
drivers and crew of those cars should complain to the manufacturer to
give them a better car. You don't see NHRA or IHRA constantly changing
their rules. Sure, they cut back on the Nitro the top fuel cars could
use, but it went across the board. Not just certain makes.

Gary
  #19  
Old December 6th 04, 11:58 PM
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"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in news:WN2dnWwwnqqlai7cRVn-
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>
>


Cory, you are really making yourself out ot be an arse...
  #20  
Old December 7th 04, 05:32 AM
Cory Dunkle
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"Paul" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
> ...
> : "Fao, Sean" -WANT-NO-SPAM> wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Patrick wrote:
> : > > A cool way to help save the planet.
> : > >
> : > > http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101272
> : >
> : > I'm staying away from it until the bugs are found and worked out. It

is
> : > nice to see some larger vehicles jumping on the band wagon. And with
> : > 295-hp, 335-lb-ft torque, it doesn't look too shabby.
> :
> : Seems a bit low on torque for a 5,000+ lb vehicle, but I suppose torque

is
> : typical of the relatively small ejgine it has. I suppose they make up

for
> it
> : with gearing, being as how it has an overdrive transmission.
> :
> : Anyhow, nice idea to save gas, but I don't think I'll ever get another
> : vehicle newer than the early '70s. I tried it twice and it was no good.
> Too
> : difficult, frustrating, and time consuming to work on. Also, older cars
> are
> : cheaper to own. Less initial cost, less insurance cost, cheaper parts
> cost,
> : and easy to do the work yourself.
> :
> : Cory
> :
> Yeah, and don't worry about all the crap your 30-year-old engine is

pouring
> into the atmosphere, while burning about twice as much gas per mile as a
> modern car.
>
> Paul


Actually my engine is about 9 months old. My car gets only slightly worse
mileage than a modern 'full-size' car (13-14 MPG around town, I've seen as
high as 16.4-17 MPG on the highway) and would be equivalent if I had an
overdrive transmission. I'll get better mileage when I put a bigger cam in
and a bette rintake, as it will lower my compression so I can run more
timing on a better curve. Also, whenever the transmission goes it will be
replaced by an AOD, or if I decide to go crazy a T5. Then in will go gears i
n the 3.50-3.77 range which will give better mileage around town and allow
the engien to run at a better suited RPM in overdrive at highway speed.

A properly tuned small block in a full-size car is quite easy on the
environment compared to all those 4 banger beaters you see spewing smoke out
the exhaust and leaking oil and other fluids all over the place. Not to
mention the obscene amount of pollution that goes into making a new car.
It's easier on the environment to maintain older cars that are already built
and the price in pollution to create them already paid than to buy a new car
every 5-10 years and the gross amounts of pollution that goes into creating
a new car.

So in around town driving, which is what at least 3/4 of my driving is these
days, I get about the same mileage as a modern full-size car, and better
than most trucks that soccer moms seem to drive these days. As far as
pollution goes, my PCV valve works just fine and dandy.f I'll pass on the
EGR valve, I want my mileage to go up, not down. Cat converters are way too
expensive for myself, a college student, being as how they offer _ME_ no
real benefit. Maybe someday down the road if I decide to go with the whole
modern fuel injected 5.0 swap I'll do that, but I am leaning towards a 460
for the next time it needs a new engine.

Cory


 




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