RLCs Can Be a Good Thing

On 2 Mar 2005 00:31:53 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:

>Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
:
>
>>
>> If you're OK with private security cameras, why do you draw the line
>> at red light cameras?
>>
>
>No points on license
>Some time delay (days,weeks)between violation and receipt of ticket
>No other drivers seeing the violator pulled over and ticketed.
>It gives them excuse to not have proper yellow timing.(which would
>alleviate RL running)
>
>
>RLCs are really only revenue-collection devices.
>One could run several RLs in one day,and not be aware of it for days or
>weeks,perhaps months.

If you aren't even aware you're running multiple red lights in a day,
I think you deserve the tickets.


>In that time,someone may be harmed by that person
>running more RLs,or they could rack up even more RLC tickets.
>By the time they get the FIRST RLC fine,they could have hundreds more
>coming and never had any chance to modify their behavior.
>
>RLCs also let police get away without doing an important part of their
>job;traffic enforcement,particularly one of the most dangerous violations.
>(Red Light Running),besides other bad driving.
>
>And it frees them up for the OTHER revenue collection scheme;"speed
>enforcement",which will still go on(without any real effect on safety).
>
>Where else do you think the police "freed up" by the RLCs are going to be
>employed?
>Not for other moving violations like reckless driving,improper lane
>changes,LLBing,and others.

Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:00:25 -0600,
> (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>> If you're OK with private security cameras, why do you draw the line
>>> at red light cameras?
>>
>>I'll let you know after I'm forced to wear a license plate around my
>>neck with a number that links to my name and address.
>
> No need for that, thanks to the new facial recognition algorithms we
> have these days. No doubt your face is linked directly to your credit
> report and your FBI dossier.
>

Those facial recog systems were found to not work so good,after a trial in
Tampa.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Cartlon Shew > wrote in
:

> On 2 Mar 2005 00:31:53 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
m:
>>
>>>
>>> If you're OK with private security cameras, why do you draw the line
>>> at red light cameras?
>>>
>>
>>No points on license
>>Some time delay (days,weeks)between violation and receipt of ticket
>>No other drivers seeing the violator pulled over and ticketed.
>>It gives them excuse to not have proper yellow timing.(which would
>>alleviate RL running)
>>
>>
>>RLCs are really only revenue-collection devices.
>>One could run several RLs in one day,and not be aware of it for days
>>or weeks,perhaps months.
>
> If you aren't even aware you're running multiple red lights in a day,
> I think you deserve the tickets.

Who said they were not aware? Not me.
In fact,here in Orlando area,most RL runners ARE aware,they are doing it
*intentionally*.We get 5-7 cars thru a RL,well after the light went red,at
some intersections. Police have perhaps 3 major enforcement campaigns a
year,lasting a weekend each time.

Either way,yes,they DO deserve tickets.
But given by a real police officer,with points on the license,and where
others can see them being ticketed.
>
>
>>In that time,someone may be harmed by that person
>>running more RLs,or they could rack up even more RLC tickets.

Here's a major point;

>>By the time they get the FIRST RLC fine,they could have hundreds more
>>coming and never had any chance to modify their behavior.

The point;MODIFY their behavior,which often happens after receiving a
(real)ticket for a violation.
Get one in the mail weeks later,and you are not even going to remember the
violation.

>>
>>RLCs also let police get away without doing an important part of their
>>job;traffic enforcement,particularly one of the most dangerous
>>violations. (Red Light Running),besides other bad driving.
>>
>>And it frees them up for the OTHER revenue collection scheme;"speed
>>enforcement",which will still go on(without any real effect on
>>safety).
>>
>>Where else do you think the police "freed up" by the RLCs are going to
>>be employed?
>>Not for other moving violations like reckless driving,improper lane
>>changes,LLBing,and others.
>
>



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Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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On 2 Mar 2005 18:02:28 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:

>The point;MODIFY their behavior,which often happens after receiving a
>(real)ticket for a violation.
>Get one in the mail weeks later,and you are not even going to remember the
>violation.

No problem; the ticket they receive has the details on it, to jog
their memory. ;-)

--
Bill Funk
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In article >, Jim Yanik wrote:

> Who said they were not aware? Not me.
> In fact,here in Orlando area,most RL runners ARE aware,they are doing it
> *intentionally*.We get 5-7 cars thru a RL,well after the light went red,at
> some intersections.

If safety was desired, a cop could make his quota in just a few hours.
Why don't they break away from their radar guns a couple hours a day?

> Police have perhaps 3 major enforcement campaigns a
> year,lasting a weekend each time.

So they are still spending most of their effort on 'speed'. Which is
every day of the year with concentrations every weekend.

> > No one forces you to have a license plate on your car. That is
> totally
> > your choice.
> >
> > "But officer, I don't HAVE to have a license plate on my car, so go
> f*ck
> > yourself . . . "
>
> Well if you choose to drive or park your car on government roads then
> that's a different story. But in general, no one cares whether you
> have a license plate or not.
>

Yup, I spent 40 grand on my car to park it in the driveway and leave it
there . . . just like everybody else who ever bought a car did. -Dave

Big Bill > wrote in
:

> On 2 Mar 2005 18:02:28 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>The point;MODIFY their behavior,which often happens after receiving a
>>(real)ticket for a violation.
>>Get one in the mail weeks later,and you are not even going to remember
>>the violation.
>
> No problem; the ticket they receive has the details on it, to jog
> their memory. ;-)
>

But far too late to alter their behavior on and after the day they
committed the violation.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

(Brent P) wrote in
:

> In article >, Jim Yanik
> wrote:
>
>> Who said they were not aware? Not me.
>> In fact,here in Orlando area,most RL runners ARE aware,they are doing
>> it *intentionally*.We get 5-7 cars thru a RL,well after the light
>> went red,at some intersections.
>
> If safety was desired, a cop could make his quota in just a few hours.
> Why don't they break away from their radar guns a couple hours a day?

The speed gun revenue generated is too desirable,firstly.(it has the
highest fines,too)
Second,it's too easy for the officers,compared to other traffic
enforcement.
Third,it would discredit their "speed kills" precept.

>
>> Police have perhaps 3 major enforcement campaigns a
>> year,lasting a weekend each time.

The above would be Red Light Running enforcements,not other traffic
enforcement.
>
> So they are still spending most of their effort on 'speed'. Which is
> every day of the year with concentrations every weekend.
>
>

Yes,that's the sum of it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:39:14 -0600,
> (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>> Correlate the picture taken by the camera behind the counter with the
>>> check-in time, and BINGO: we have BrentP's face and real name and
>>> address properly correlated.
>>
>>Counter? you haven't flown recently have you?
>
> Recently enough to know that they haven't gotten rid of any ticket
> counters...

Why on earth would you wait in line at the counter?

> Oh, and don't forget the security line - the TSA gets to see your name
> and take your picture, as well.

We were over that already. I don't think any of the mickeyD's rejects
easily distracted by show tunes (family guy reference) are going to
remember what the DL said a few minutes later, even if anything on it
beyond my name and DL number was current.

>>>>Oh, btw, my DL has an address on it
>>>>that is over 8 years old, was 3-4 moves ago.
>>> Tsk tsk - last I heard, the Secretary of State requires you to notify
>>> him of any change of address within 10 days.
>>He was notified each time.

> So your correct address is on file. No doubt the TSA has complete
> access to that information.

Still isn't linking up.

> Yep, looks like their dossier on you is nice and complete.

And MLB is beaming stuff into my brain. (simpsons reference)

On 3 Mar 2005 02:11:41 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:

>Big Bill > wrote in
:
>
>> On 2 Mar 2005 18:02:28 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>
>>>The point;MODIFY their behavior,which often happens after receiving a
>>>(real)ticket for a violation.
>>>Get one in the mail weeks later,and you are not even going to remember
>>>the violation.
>>
>> No problem; the ticket they receive has the details on it, to jog
>> their memory. ;-)
>>
>
>But far too late to alter their behavior on and after the day they
>committed the violation.

Possibly.
Personally, I don't particularly like RLCs or radar ticket systems (or
variations on the theme, like Scottsdale's system that uses embedded
wires). They do provide a disincentive (the fine), but they do not get
a dangerous driver off the road; that requires a cop on the scene.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"