JIFFY LUBE fu AGAIN

you should be able to find in your manual that it specifically says to use
ATF +3.
the dexron IIe isn't synthetic, it just has more additives than Dex II, and
is not designed for Chrysler's.

You might be able to find a Dex IIe bottle at an independent autoparts store
lurking around, or maybe even a Dex III bottle, it'll say what specs the
fluid meets, chrysler's isn't one of them

"Bob Urz" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Neil Nelson wrote:
> > In article >,
> > BOB URZ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Got a call from my friend today. He was stuck along the road with
> >>smoke coming from the hood of his 96 caravan. This AM, he took his
> >>van in to jiffy lube for an oil change and trannie fluid change.
> >
> >
> > Your friend chose a batch of idiots over a trained technician
> > because?
> >
> >
> >>He laid a trail of oil for 2 blocks so bad the fire dept came out
> >>and put stuff on the street for safety. I looked at his van. The
> >>trannie
> >>cooler hose was off the trannie. The clamp was still firmly planted
> >>on the trannie, just past where the hose should be! DUMMIES!
> >
> >
> > Yup, it's been that way for many years, yet people keep
> > patronizing such places.
> >
> >
> >>We put the hose back on and put in 4 quarts of III+ trannie fluid.
> >>took it back to jiffy lube where they were less than "i will kiss
> >>your ass because we ****ed up".
> >
> >
> > They do it so often, they're immune.
> >
> >
> >>A couple of questions. It did set the check engine light when this
> >>happened which i assume was for shifting fault.
> >
> >
> > No way to know until the codes are retrieved.
> >
> >
> >>Does this reset on
> >>a 96 if it senses no more faults after so many starts?
> >
> >
> > I should. Having the codes cleared would be a better choice in
> > case additional faults pop up.
> >
> >
> >>Will it have to
> >>re learn?
> >
> >
> > Not from what happened. re-learn is only necessary if and when
> > power to the transmission controller is interrupted or the
> > adaptive memory is re-set.
> >
> >
> >>What are the chances of long term trannie damage for a 2 block
> >>run low and losing fluid? It was fine before the trannie fluid change.
> >
> >
> > Chances of damage are good.
> >
> >
> >>Now, after much research i thought i saw that only III+ fluids should
> >>be used in a 604 or it will shudder and **** up in short order.
> >
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> >
> >>Jiffy lube had Dextron IIE that they put in. They did not have III+
> >>in there marvellous overhead rack of fluids. They said its fine.
> >>I have my doubts.
> >
> >
> > Jiffy Lube would be wrong on all accounts.
> > Jiffy Lube should quit bilking unsuspecting people by marketing
> > goods and services which they are obviously not trained and/or
> > equipped to perform.
> >
> >
> >>Is Dextron IIE the same and have the same friction additives?
> >
> >
> > No, it''s not the same. It's not even close.
> > Your friend should have his vehicle towed to the nearest
> > competent facility and have all of the transmission fluid
> > replaced along with the filter which odds are wasn't replaced by
> > Jiffy Goof to begin with.
> > He should then present the bill for those services to Jiffy Goof
> > for reimbursement.
> >
> >
> >>Any insight will be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
> > maintenance.
> Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?

>
>
> He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
> thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
> I probably would have told him not to.
>
> I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
> mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
> dextron IIE. Its a synthetic? What synthetics are III+ compatible
> if any?
>
> What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
> suitable for a Chrysler 604.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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In article >,
Bob Urz > wrote:

> > Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
> > maintenance.
>
> Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?

Not necessarily for -Mopar- blasphemy. I wouldn't recommend that
someone take a Yugo to Jiffy Goof.
Your friend chose to go for fast food, he (and you) shouldn't be
surprised that a belly ache ensued. I (on the other hand,) am
past the point of astonishment that people don't pay enough
attention to the goings on around them and continue to patronize
such poor excuses for auto service.
Top this all off with them (Goofy Boob) blowing smoke up yours
and his keisters that Dexron II and ATF +3 are interchangeable.

>
> He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
> thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
> I probably would have told him not to.

The pimpley faced teenaged staff wasn't a tip off that things
might go awry?

> I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
> mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
> dextron IIE. Its a synthetic?

To my knowledge, Dexron IIe is not a synthetic.
Dexron III -might- be.

> What synthetics are III+ compatible
> if any?

ATF+3 is what is compatible. ATF+4 is also compatible and is a
(AFAIK) synthetic base stock with better properties than +3.
There are all kinds of synthetics that claim to be +3 compatible,
problem is, they claim to be compatible with many other
proprietary ATFs and such things (one size fits all) just isn't
possible.

> What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
> suitable for a Chrysler 604.

His owners manual would be a good place to start.
The warnings stamped into the transaxle dipstick would be another.

I believe that in both places he'll find a recommendation to use
Type 7176 +3 fluid.
It may also say that Dexron II is allowed for topping off
purposes, but topping off is not the same as a re-fill after a
flush. Topping off to me means a pint or less.
Dexron II is Dexron II. ATF+3 is ATF+3.
A tennis shoe is not a Boeing 747.

Your friendly Daimler-Chrysler type dealership should be able to
supply you with TSBs that address the Dexron -vs- ATF +3 debate.

In article >,
Bob Urz > wrote:

> > Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
> > maintenance.
>
> Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?

Not necessarily for -Mopar- blasphemy. I wouldn't recommend that
someone take a Yugo to Jiffy Goof.
Your friend chose to go for fast food, he (and you) shouldn't be
surprised that a belly ache ensued. I (on the other hand,) am
past the point of astonishment that people don't pay enough
attention to the goings on around them and continue to patronize
such poor excuses for auto service.
Top this all off with them (Goofy Boob) blowing smoke up yours
and his keisters that Dexron II and ATF +3 are interchangeable.

>
> He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
> thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
> I probably would have told him not to.

The pimpley faced teenaged staff wasn't a tip off that things
might go awry?

> I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
> mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
> dextron IIE. Its a synthetic?

To my knowledge, Dexron IIe is not a synthetic.
Dexron III -might- be.

> What synthetics are III+ compatible
> if any?

ATF+3 is what is compatible. ATF+4 is also compatible and is a
(AFAIK) synthetic base stock with better properties than +3.
There are all kinds of synthetics that claim to be +3 compatible,
problem is, they claim to be compatible with many other
proprietary ATFs and such things (one size fits all) just isn't
possible.

> What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
> suitable for a Chrysler 604.

His owners manual would be a good place to start.
The warnings stamped into the transaxle dipstick would be another.

I believe that in both places he'll find a recommendation to use
Type 7176 +3 fluid.
It may also say that Dexron II is allowed for topping off
purposes, but topping off is not the same as a re-fill after a
flush. Topping off to me means a pint or less.
Dexron II is Dexron II. ATF+3 is ATF+3.
A tennis shoe is not a Boeing 747.

Your friendly Daimler-Chrysler type dealership should be able to
supply you with TSBs that address the Dexron -vs- ATF +3 debate.

Bob Urz wrote:

>
>
> Neil Nelson wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> BOB URZ > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Got a call from my friend today. He was stuck along the road with
>>> smoke coming from the hood of his 96 caravan. This AM, he took his
>>> van in to jiffy lube for an oil change and trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your friend chose a batch of idiots over a trained technician because?
>>
>>
>>> He laid a trail of oil for 2 blocks so bad the fire dept came out
>>> and put stuff on the street for safety. I looked at his van. The
>>> trannie
>>> cooler hose was off the trannie. The clamp was still firmly planted
>>> on the trannie, just past where the hose should be! DUMMIES!
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup, it's been that way for many years, yet people keep patronizing
>> such places.
>>
>>
>>> We put the hose back on and put in 4 quarts of III+ trannie fluid.
>>> took it back to jiffy lube where they were less than "i will kiss
>>> your ass because we ****ed up".
>>
>>
>>
>> They do it so often, they're immune.
>>
>>> A couple of questions. It did set the check engine light when this
>>> happened which i assume was for shifting fault.
>>
>>
>>
>> No way to know until the codes are retrieved.
>>
>>
>>> Does this reset on
>>> a 96 if it senses no more faults after so many starts?
>>
>>
>>
>> I should. Having the codes cleared would be a better choice in case
>> additional faults pop up.
>>
>>
>>> Will it have to
>>> re learn?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not from what happened. re-learn is only necessary if and when power
>> to the transmission controller is interrupted or the adaptive memory
>> is re-set.
>>
>>
>>> What are the chances of long term trannie damage for a 2 block run
>>> low and losing fluid? It was fine before the trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chances of damage are good.
>>
>>
>>> Now, after much research i thought i saw that only III+ fluids should
>>> be used in a 604 or it will shudder and **** up in short order.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>
>>> Jiffy lube had Dextron IIE that they put in. They did not have III+
>>> in there marvellous overhead rack of fluids. They said its fine.
>>> I have my doubts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jiffy Lube would be wrong on all accounts.
>> Jiffy Lube should quit bilking unsuspecting people by marketing goods
>> and services which they are obviously not trained and/or equipped to
>> perform.
>>
>>
>>> Is Dextron IIE the same and have the same friction additives?
>>
>>
>>
>> No, it''s not the same. It's not even close.
>> Your friend should have his vehicle towed to the nearest competent
>> facility and have all of the transmission fluid replaced along with
>> the filter which odds are wasn't replaced by Jiffy Goof to begin with.
>> He should then present the bill for those services to Jiffy Goof for
>> reimbursement.
>>
>>
>>> Any insight will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
>> maintenance.
>
> Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?
>
>
> He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
> thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
> I probably would have told him not to.
>
> I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
> mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
> dextron IIE. Its a synthetic? What synthetics are III+ compatible
> if any?
>
> What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
> suitable for a Chrysler 604.
>
> Bob
>
The more i research this, the more confusing it is:

http://www.bestsyntheticoil.com/amso...nsmission.html
amsoil says its synthetic is ok for Chrysler

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=6
valvoline says its product is mercon, dextron, and Chrysler compatible

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...Mobil_ATF3.asp
Mobile list a ATF +III which i thought was the correct stuff


http://www.chevron.ca/ProductsServic.../MotorOils.htm
Chevron says this:
it wasn't until 1997 that Chrysler owners' manuals no longer listed
DEXRON as an acceptable replacement. ATF+3 is suitable in any
application calling for ATF PLUS, ATF+2 or a Type 7176 fluid.

http://www.havoline.com/products/na/trans_md3.html

So is dextron IIE ok for a 1996 604?

http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/pro...nventional.asp
Has specialized fluids for III+

http://www.allpar.com/fix/trans.html
Alpar says:All Chrysler four-speed automatic transmissions* are very
sensitive to the quality of the transmission fluid. Only use the ATF+[3
or 4] in these transmissions. Do not use Dexron or Mercon.

Its hard to know what is all truth. How much different is a 1996 604
from a 1997 and up?

Bob



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Bob Urz wrote:

>
>
> Neil Nelson wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> BOB URZ > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Got a call from my friend today. He was stuck along the road with
>>> smoke coming from the hood of his 96 caravan. This AM, he took his
>>> van in to jiffy lube for an oil change and trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your friend chose a batch of idiots over a trained technician because?
>>
>>
>>> He laid a trail of oil for 2 blocks so bad the fire dept came out
>>> and put stuff on the street for safety. I looked at his van. The
>>> trannie
>>> cooler hose was off the trannie. The clamp was still firmly planted
>>> on the trannie, just past where the hose should be! DUMMIES!
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup, it's been that way for many years, yet people keep patronizing
>> such places.
>>
>>
>>> We put the hose back on and put in 4 quarts of III+ trannie fluid.
>>> took it back to jiffy lube where they were less than "i will kiss
>>> your ass because we ****ed up".
>>
>>
>>
>> They do it so often, they're immune.
>>
>>> A couple of questions. It did set the check engine light when this
>>> happened which i assume was for shifting fault.
>>
>>
>>
>> No way to know until the codes are retrieved.
>>
>>
>>> Does this reset on
>>> a 96 if it senses no more faults after so many starts?
>>
>>
>>
>> I should. Having the codes cleared would be a better choice in case
>> additional faults pop up.
>>
>>
>>> Will it have to
>>> re learn?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not from what happened. re-learn is only necessary if and when power
>> to the transmission controller is interrupted or the adaptive memory
>> is re-set.
>>
>>
>>> What are the chances of long term trannie damage for a 2 block run
>>> low and losing fluid? It was fine before the trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chances of damage are good.
>>
>>
>>> Now, after much research i thought i saw that only III+ fluids should
>>> be used in a 604 or it will shudder and **** up in short order.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>
>>> Jiffy lube had Dextron IIE that they put in. They did not have III+
>>> in there marvellous overhead rack of fluids. They said its fine.
>>> I have my doubts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jiffy Lube would be wrong on all accounts.
>> Jiffy Lube should quit bilking unsuspecting people by marketing goods
>> and services which they are obviously not trained and/or equipped to
>> perform.
>>
>>
>>> Is Dextron IIE the same and have the same friction additives?
>>
>>
>>
>> No, it''s not the same. It's not even close.
>> Your friend should have his vehicle towed to the nearest competent
>> facility and have all of the transmission fluid replaced along with
>> the filter which odds are wasn't replaced by Jiffy Goof to begin with.
>> He should then present the bill for those services to Jiffy Goof for
>> reimbursement.
>>
>>
>>> Any insight will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
>> maintenance.
>
> Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?
>
>
> He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
> thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
> I probably would have told him not to.
>
> I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
> mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
> dextron IIE. Its a synthetic? What synthetics are III+ compatible
> if any?
>
> What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
> suitable for a Chrysler 604.
>
> Bob
>
The more i research this, the more confusing it is:

http://www.bestsyntheticoil.com/amso...nsmission.html
amsoil says its synthetic is ok for Chrysler

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=6
valvoline says its product is mercon, dextron, and Chrysler compatible

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...Mobil_ATF3.asp
Mobile list a ATF +III which i thought was the correct stuff


http://www.chevron.ca/ProductsServic.../MotorOils.htm
Chevron says this:
it wasn't until 1997 that Chrysler owners' manuals no longer listed
DEXRON as an acceptable replacement. ATF+3 is suitable in any
application calling for ATF PLUS, ATF+2 or a Type 7176 fluid.

http://www.havoline.com/products/na/trans_md3.html

So is dextron IIE ok for a 1996 604?

http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/pro...nventional.asp
Has specialized fluids for III+

http://www.allpar.com/fix/trans.html
Alpar says:All Chrysler four-speed automatic transmissions* are very
sensitive to the quality of the transmission fluid. Only use the ATF+[3
or 4] in these transmissions. Do not use Dexron or Mercon.

Its hard to know what is all truth. How much different is a 1996 604
from a 1997 and up?

Bob



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In article >, Bob Urz > wrote:
>
>
>Neil Nelson wrote:
>> In article >,
>> BOB URZ > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Got a call from my friend today. He was stuck along the road with
>>>smoke coming from the hood of his 96 caravan. This AM, he took his
>>>van in to jiffy lube for an oil change and trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>> Your friend chose a batch of idiots over a trained technician
>> because?
>>
>>
>>>He laid a trail of oil for 2 blocks so bad the fire dept came out
>>>and put stuff on the street for safety. I looked at his van. The
>>>trannie
>>>cooler hose was off the trannie. The clamp was still firmly planted
>>>on the trannie, just past where the hose should be! DUMMIES!
>>
>>
>> Yup, it's been that way for many years, yet people keep
>> patronizing such places.
>>
>>
>>>We put the hose back on and put in 4 quarts of III+ trannie fluid.
>>>took it back to jiffy lube where they were less than "i will kiss
>>>your ass because we ****ed up".
>>
>>
>> They do it so often, they're immune.
>>
>>
>>>A couple of questions. It did set the check engine light when this
>>>happened which i assume was for shifting fault.
>>
>>
>> No way to know until the codes are retrieved.
>>
>>
>>>Does this reset on
>>>a 96 if it senses no more faults after so many starts?
>>
>>
>> I should. Having the codes cleared would be a better choice in
>> case additional faults pop up.
>>
>>
>>>Will it have to
>>>re learn?
>>
>>
>> Not from what happened. re-learn is only necessary if and when
>> power to the transmission controller is interrupted or the
>> adaptive memory is re-set.
>>
>>
>>>What are the chances of long term trannie damage for a 2 block
>>>run low and losing fluid? It was fine before the trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>> Chances of damage are good.
>>
>>
>>>Now, after much research i thought i saw that only III+ fluids should
>>>be used in a 604 or it will shudder and **** up in short order.
>>
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>
>>>Jiffy lube had Dextron IIE that they put in. They did not have III+
>>>in there marvellous overhead rack of fluids. They said its fine.
>>>I have my doubts.
>>
>>
>> Jiffy Lube would be wrong on all accounts.
>> Jiffy Lube should quit bilking unsuspecting people by marketing
>> goods and services which they are obviously not trained and/or
>> equipped to perform.
>>
>>
>>>Is Dextron IIE the same and have the same friction additives?
>>
>>
>> No, it''s not the same. It's not even close.
>> Your friend should have his vehicle towed to the nearest
>> competent facility and have all of the transmission fluid
>> replaced along with the filter which odds are wasn't replaced by
>> Jiffy Goof to begin with.
>> He should then present the bill for those services to Jiffy Goof
>> for reimbursement.
>>
>>
>>>Any insight will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
>> maintenance.
>Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?
>
>
>He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
>thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
>I probably would have told him not to.
>


The $10 dollars that he maybe saved might now have cost him thousands in the
long run!!!!

I alway patronise my local Dodge and Pontiac dealers on my Durango and
Grand Am for the tranny and oil changes. Most the time its the same or
cheaper due to their sending me out coupons all the time for being a loyal
customer.




>I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
>mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
>dextron IIE. Its a synthetic? What synthetics are III+ compatible
>if any?
>
>What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
>suitable for a Chrysler 604.
>
>Bob
>
>
>
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In article >, Bob Urz > wrote:
>
>
>Neil Nelson wrote:
>> In article >,
>> BOB URZ > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Got a call from my friend today. He was stuck along the road with
>>>smoke coming from the hood of his 96 caravan. This AM, he took his
>>>van in to jiffy lube for an oil change and trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>> Your friend chose a batch of idiots over a trained technician
>> because?
>>
>>
>>>He laid a trail of oil for 2 blocks so bad the fire dept came out
>>>and put stuff on the street for safety. I looked at his van. The
>>>trannie
>>>cooler hose was off the trannie. The clamp was still firmly planted
>>>on the trannie, just past where the hose should be! DUMMIES!
>>
>>
>> Yup, it's been that way for many years, yet people keep
>> patronizing such places.
>>
>>
>>>We put the hose back on and put in 4 quarts of III+ trannie fluid.
>>>took it back to jiffy lube where they were less than "i will kiss
>>>your ass because we ****ed up".
>>
>>
>> They do it so often, they're immune.
>>
>>
>>>A couple of questions. It did set the check engine light when this
>>>happened which i assume was for shifting fault.
>>
>>
>> No way to know until the codes are retrieved.
>>
>>
>>>Does this reset on
>>>a 96 if it senses no more faults after so many starts?
>>
>>
>> I should. Having the codes cleared would be a better choice in
>> case additional faults pop up.
>>
>>
>>>Will it have to
>>>re learn?
>>
>>
>> Not from what happened. re-learn is only necessary if and when
>> power to the transmission controller is interrupted or the
>> adaptive memory is re-set.
>>
>>
>>>What are the chances of long term trannie damage for a 2 block
>>>run low and losing fluid? It was fine before the trannie fluid change.
>>
>>
>> Chances of damage are good.
>>
>>
>>>Now, after much research i thought i saw that only III+ fluids should
>>>be used in a 604 or it will shudder and **** up in short order.
>>
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>
>>>Jiffy lube had Dextron IIE that they put in. They did not have III+
>>>in there marvellous overhead rack of fluids. They said its fine.
>>>I have my doubts.
>>
>>
>> Jiffy Lube would be wrong on all accounts.
>> Jiffy Lube should quit bilking unsuspecting people by marketing
>> goods and services which they are obviously not trained and/or
>> equipped to perform.
>>
>>
>>>Is Dextron IIE the same and have the same friction additives?
>>
>>
>> No, it''s not the same. It's not even close.
>> Your friend should have his vehicle towed to the nearest
>> competent facility and have all of the transmission fluid
>> replaced along with the filter which odds are wasn't replaced by
>> Jiffy Goof to begin with.
>> He should then present the bill for those services to Jiffy Goof
>> for reimbursement.
>>
>>
>>>Any insight will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Your friend should make better choices WRT vehicle service and
>> maintenance.
>Gezz neil, should i take my paddle and go spank him for mopar blasphemy?
>
>
>He was going on a long trip soon and figured he was doing the right
>thing. He did not ask my opinion before he went to Jiffy Lube.
>I probably would have told him not to.
>


The $10 dollars that he maybe saved might now have cost him thousands in the
long run!!!!

I alway patronise my local Dodge and Pontiac dealers on my Durango and
Grand Am for the tranny and oil changes. Most the time its the same or
cheaper due to their sending me out coupons all the time for being a loyal
customer.




>I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
>mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
>dextron IIE. Its a synthetic? What synthetics are III+ compatible
>if any?
>
>What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
>suitable for a Chrysler 604.
>
>Bob
>
>
>
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In article >,
Bob Urz > wrote:

> The more i research this, the more confusing it is:

Or is it?

> http://www.bestsyntheticoil.com/amso...nsmission.html
> amsoil says its synthetic is ok for Chrysler

No, it says that it's compatible with ATF+, a spec that dates
back to the late 80s. We've since had ATF+2, ATF+3 and ATF+4 the
specs of which they make NO claim to meeting.

Just more scAmsoil smoke and mirrors.

> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=6
> valvoline says its product is mercon, dextron, and Chrysler compatible

Chrysler built millions of transmissions that do NOT require any
of the ATF+ fluids. This fluid would be fine in any of them.

> http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...Mobil_ATF3.asp
> Mobile list a ATF +III which i thought was the correct stuff

It is the correct stuff, it's an ATF+3 fluid.

>
> http://www.chevron.ca/ProductsServic.../MotorOils.htm
> Chevron says this:
> it wasn't until 1997 that Chrysler owners' manuals no longer listed
> DEXRON as an acceptable replacement. ATF+3 is suitable in any
> application calling for ATF PLUS, ATF+2 or a Type 7176 fluid.

Havoline Dexcool was touted as a 5 year 150,000 mile coolant when
it was first introduced. Cronic failures and problems not
anticipated have caused GM to reconsider the service life of
Dexcool and thusly shorten its recommended service life to that
of conventional green coolants.
Same goes here... Eventually, Chrysler got around to rewording
their owners manuals, but I can tell you that as far back as 1989
when the 604 Ultradrive transmission was introduced, Chrysler
went to great lengths to stress that only type 7176 ATF+ fluids
be used.
IOWs, things change, fluid recommendations change, fluid
recommendations for the 41TE transmission have changed a number
of times since its introduction in the 89 model year, but those
recommendations have always been towards the newer generations of
ATF+ fluids (+2, +3, +4) NOT backwards towards using ANY Dexron
spec fluid.

> http://www.havoline.com/products/na/trans_md3.html
>
> So is dextron IIE ok for a 1996 604?

No, it is not. Dexron IIe is not ATF+ fluid.

> http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/pro...nventional.asp
> Has specialized fluids for III+

They -have- ATF+3 spec fluid. I see no problem using it.
I -have- used it with zero problems.

> http://www.allpar.com/fix/trans.html
> Alpar says:All Chrysler four-speed automatic transmissions* are very
> sensitive to the quality of the transmission fluid. Only use the ATF+[3
> or 4] in these transmissions. Do not use Dexron or Mercon.

Correct.

> Its hard to know what is all truth. How much different is a 1996 604
> from a 1997 and up?

There are numerous changes which is to be expected given
continued quality improvement, but none of this negates the
importance of using the correct (ATF+) fluids in the 41TE and
41 LE transmissions.

In article >,
Bob Urz > wrote:

> The more i research this, the more confusing it is:

Or is it?

> http://www.bestsyntheticoil.com/amso...nsmission.html
> amsoil says its synthetic is ok for Chrysler

No, it says that it's compatible with ATF+, a spec that dates
back to the late 80s. We've since had ATF+2, ATF+3 and ATF+4 the
specs of which they make NO claim to meeting.

Just more scAmsoil smoke and mirrors.

> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=6
> valvoline says its product is mercon, dextron, and Chrysler compatible

Chrysler built millions of transmissions that do NOT require any
of the ATF+ fluids. This fluid would be fine in any of them.

> http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...Mobil_ATF3.asp
> Mobile list a ATF +III which i thought was the correct stuff

It is the correct stuff, it's an ATF+3 fluid.

>
> http://www.chevron.ca/ProductsServic.../MotorOils.htm
> Chevron says this:
> it wasn't until 1997 that Chrysler owners' manuals no longer listed
> DEXRON as an acceptable replacement. ATF+3 is suitable in any
> application calling for ATF PLUS, ATF+2 or a Type 7176 fluid.

Havoline Dexcool was touted as a 5 year 150,000 mile coolant when
it was first introduced. Cronic failures and problems not
anticipated have caused GM to reconsider the service life of
Dexcool and thusly shorten its recommended service life to that
of conventional green coolants.
Same goes here... Eventually, Chrysler got around to rewording
their owners manuals, but I can tell you that as far back as 1989
when the 604 Ultradrive transmission was introduced, Chrysler
went to great lengths to stress that only type 7176 ATF+ fluids
be used.
IOWs, things change, fluid recommendations change, fluid
recommendations for the 41TE transmission have changed a number
of times since its introduction in the 89 model year, but those
recommendations have always been towards the newer generations of
ATF+ fluids (+2, +3, +4) NOT backwards towards using ANY Dexron
spec fluid.

> http://www.havoline.com/products/na/trans_md3.html
>
> So is dextron IIE ok for a 1996 604?

No, it is not. Dexron IIe is not ATF+ fluid.

> http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/pro...nventional.asp
> Has specialized fluids for III+

They -have- ATF+3 spec fluid. I see no problem using it.
I -have- used it with zero problems.

> http://www.allpar.com/fix/trans.html
> Alpar says:All Chrysler four-speed automatic transmissions* are very
> sensitive to the quality of the transmission fluid. Only use the ATF+[3
> or 4] in these transmissions. Do not use Dexron or Mercon.

Correct.

> Its hard to know what is all truth. How much different is a 1996 604
> from a 1997 and up?

There are numerous changes which is to be expected given
continued quality improvement, but none of this negates the
importance of using the correct (ATF+) fluids in the 41TE and
41 LE transmissions.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Bob Urz wrote:

> I researched the fluid issue a while back when i was looking at used
> mini vans. That why i was suspicious. I am trying to find specs on
> dextron IIE. Its a synthetic? What synthetics are III+ compatible if
> any?

ATF+3 or ATF+4 are the only acceptable fluids for the '96 Chrysler
automatics. Period. End of story. There is no Dexron fluid that is
"compatible".

> What i want is something on IIE in black and white that says its NOT
> suitable for a Chrysler 604.

Yank the dipstick out of the transmission; it says it right there.