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In >, on 12/22/2004
at 06:30 PM, said: >You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to rollover >scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was put forward by the >anti SUV, global warming environuts, No -- it was the result of rollovers that should not have happened. to scare people away from buying >them but it is contrary to the facts. Talk to you agent and see for >yourself, WBMA. Properly belted passengers are safer riding in larger >vehicles. The drop in the number of injuries and death among children >over the past five years is attributed to the fact more children are >riding in those larger vehicles. >mike hunt >N8N wrote: >> >> I don't know where you're getting your info, but unless things have >> changed since the last time I had this conversation with my insurance >> agent, you're simply wrong. SUV's are about the highest rate possible, >> except maybe some sports cars. >> >> nate >> >> wrote: >> > Not so, talk to your agent, SUV rates are lower than small FWD >> > cars. SUV's are basicly car or truck based. >> > >> > >> > mike hunt >> > >> > >> > >> > Nate Nagel wrote: >> > > >> > > But not SUVs. Those are actually higher risk vehicles. >> > > >> > > nate >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Your information is not correct. The insurance industry KNOWS >> > > > that larger vehicles are the safest vehicles in which properly >> > > > belted passenger can ride. That is why the liability rates are >> > > > LOWER on larger vehicles. Check with your insurance agent and you >> > > > will find small FWD vehicles like the Focus cost as much or more >> > > > to insure than cars like the Ford Crown Vic. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > mike hunt >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Dick Boyd wrote: >> > > > >> > > >>Thank General Jerry Curry and Diane Steed more than Congress for >> the >> > > >>behemoths. >> > > >> >> > > >>One was head of NHTSA, the other the head of EPA. They staged >> crash >> > > >>photos of heavy vehicles crashing into lighter vehicles. After >> the >> > > >>public was convinced that heavier was better and after Congress >> > > >>approved SUVs as trucks there was a retraction, but never an >> apology. >> > > >> >> > > >>In the staged crashes, instrumentend crash dummies in the heavy >> > > >>vehicles fared much worse than the crash dummies in the lighter >> > > >>vehicles. But the still photos were very dramatic. >> > > >> >> > > >>Several years of real world crash experience bears out the >> testing. The >> > > >>heavier vehicles are killers. But General Jerry sings opera and >> drives >> > > >>his SUV down the mountain with impunity. Sadly, too many have >> wrapped >> > > >>themselves emotionally around the issue and never read the crash >> > > >>reports. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. >> > > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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In >, on 12/22/2004
at 06:30 PM, said: >You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to rollover >scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was put forward by the >anti SUV, global warming environuts, No -- it was the result of rollovers that should not have happened. to scare people away from buying >them but it is contrary to the facts. Talk to you agent and see for >yourself, WBMA. Properly belted passengers are safer riding in larger >vehicles. The drop in the number of injuries and death among children >over the past five years is attributed to the fact more children are >riding in those larger vehicles. >mike hunt >N8N wrote: >> >> I don't know where you're getting your info, but unless things have >> changed since the last time I had this conversation with my insurance >> agent, you're simply wrong. SUV's are about the highest rate possible, >> except maybe some sports cars. >> >> nate >> >> wrote: >> > Not so, talk to your agent, SUV rates are lower than small FWD >> > cars. SUV's are basicly car or truck based. >> > >> > >> > mike hunt >> > >> > >> > >> > Nate Nagel wrote: >> > > >> > > But not SUVs. Those are actually higher risk vehicles. >> > > >> > > nate >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Your information is not correct. The insurance industry KNOWS >> > > > that larger vehicles are the safest vehicles in which properly >> > > > belted passenger can ride. That is why the liability rates are >> > > > LOWER on larger vehicles. Check with your insurance agent and you >> > > > will find small FWD vehicles like the Focus cost as much or more >> > > > to insure than cars like the Ford Crown Vic. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > mike hunt >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Dick Boyd wrote: >> > > > >> > > >>Thank General Jerry Curry and Diane Steed more than Congress for >> the >> > > >>behemoths. >> > > >> >> > > >>One was head of NHTSA, the other the head of EPA. They staged >> crash >> > > >>photos of heavy vehicles crashing into lighter vehicles. After >> the >> > > >>public was convinced that heavier was better and after Congress >> > > >>approved SUVs as trucks there was a retraction, but never an >> apology. >> > > >> >> > > >>In the staged crashes, instrumentend crash dummies in the heavy >> > > >>vehicles fared much worse than the crash dummies in the lighter >> > > >>vehicles. But the still photos were very dramatic. >> > > >> >> > > >>Several years of real world crash experience bears out the >> testing. The >> > > >>heavier vehicles are killers. But General Jerry sings opera and >> drives >> > > >>his SUV down the mountain with impunity. Sadly, too many have >> wrapped >> > > >>themselves emotionally around the issue and never read the crash >> > > >>reports. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. >> > > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a 'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency' is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my opinion mike hunt wrote: > > In >, on 12/22/2004 > at 06:30 PM, said: > > >You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to rollover > >scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was put forward by the > >anti SUV, global warming environuts, > > No -- it was the result of rollovers that should not have happened. > > to scare people away from buying > >them but it is contrary to the facts. Talk to you agent and see for > >yourself, WBMA. Properly belted passengers are safer riding in larger > >vehicles. The drop in the number of injuries and death among children > >over the past five years is attributed to the fact more children are > >riding in those larger vehicles. > > >mike hunt > > >N8N wrote: > >> > >> I don't know where you're getting your info, but unless things have > >> changed since the last time I had this conversation with my insurance > >> agent, you're simply wrong. SUV's are about the highest rate possible, > >> except maybe some sports cars. > >> > >> nate > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Not so, talk to your agent, SUV rates are lower than small FWD > >> > cars. SUV's are basicly car or truck based. > >> > > >> > > >> > mike hunt > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Nate Nagel wrote: > >> > > > >> > > But not SUVs. Those are actually higher risk vehicles. > >> > > > >> > > nate > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Your information is not correct. The insurance industry KNOWS > >> > > > that larger vehicles are the safest vehicles in which properly > >> > > > belted passenger can ride. That is why the liability rates are > >> > > > LOWER on larger vehicles. Check with your insurance agent and you > >> > > > will find small FWD vehicles like the Focus cost as much or more > >> > > > to insure than cars like the Ford Crown Vic. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > mike hunt > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Dick Boyd wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >>Thank General Jerry Curry and Diane Steed more than Congress for > >> the > >> > > >>behemoths. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>One was head of NHTSA, the other the head of EPA. They staged > >> crash > >> > > >>photos of heavy vehicles crashing into lighter vehicles. After > >> the > >> > > >>public was convinced that heavier was better and after Congress > >> > > >>approved SUVs as trucks there was a retraction, but never an > >> apology. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>In the staged crashes, instrumentend crash dummies in the heavy > >> > > >>vehicles fared much worse than the crash dummies in the lighter > >> > > >>vehicles. But the still photos were very dramatic. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>Several years of real world crash experience bears out the > >> testing. The > >> > > >>heavier vehicles are killers. But General Jerry sings opera and > >> drives > >> > > >>his SUV down the mountain with impunity. Sadly, too many have > >> wrapped > >> > > >>themselves emotionally around the issue and never read the crash > >> > > >>reports. > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > >> > > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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According to the NHTSA around 8% of ALL new vehicles, sold in the
US, will be involved in an accident sufficient to deploy the SRS bags, IN THEIR LIFETIME! Less than 2% of ALL accident of ALL types of vehicles result in a rollover. Records show that the biggest majority of rollover accident are a result of striking or being stuck by something, not from a vehicle maneuver. Hardly a 'tendency' to rollover. The fact is the laws of physics dictate that even if a vehicle is lifted up to a 55% angle the 'tendency' is to fall back upon it wheels. If height of the vehicle was a cause of rollovers then one should expect to see six wheeled trucks rolled over almost daily. I would suggest you do a bit of research before you chose to comment on a subject of which you apparently have little or no knowledge, or at least say in my opinion mike hunt wrote: > > In >, on 12/22/2004 > at 06:30 PM, said: > > >You are free to believe whatever you wish. The 'tendency' to rollover > >scare and the impression SUV are inherently unsafe was put forward by the > >anti SUV, global warming environuts, > > No -- it was the result of rollovers that should not have happened. > > to scare people away from buying > >them but it is contrary to the facts. Talk to you agent and see for > >yourself, WBMA. Properly belted passengers are safer riding in larger > >vehicles. The drop in the number of injuries and death among children > >over the past five years is attributed to the fact more children are > >riding in those larger vehicles. > > >mike hunt > > >N8N wrote: > >> > >> I don't know where you're getting your info, but unless things have > >> changed since the last time I had this conversation with my insurance > >> agent, you're simply wrong. SUV's are about the highest rate possible, > >> except maybe some sports cars. > >> > >> nate > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Not so, talk to your agent, SUV rates are lower than small FWD > >> > cars. SUV's are basicly car or truck based. > >> > > >> > > >> > mike hunt > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Nate Nagel wrote: > >> > > > >> > > But not SUVs. Those are actually higher risk vehicles. > >> > > > >> > > nate > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Your information is not correct. The insurance industry KNOWS > >> > > > that larger vehicles are the safest vehicles in which properly > >> > > > belted passenger can ride. That is why the liability rates are > >> > > > LOWER on larger vehicles. Check with your insurance agent and you > >> > > > will find small FWD vehicles like the Focus cost as much or more > >> > > > to insure than cars like the Ford Crown Vic. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > mike hunt > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Dick Boyd wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >>Thank General Jerry Curry and Diane Steed more than Congress for > >> the > >> > > >>behemoths. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>One was head of NHTSA, the other the head of EPA. They staged > >> crash > >> > > >>photos of heavy vehicles crashing into lighter vehicles. After > >> the > >> > > >>public was convinced that heavier was better and after Congress > >> > > >>approved SUVs as trucks there was a retraction, but never an > >> apology. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>In the staged crashes, instrumentend crash dummies in the heavy > >> > > >>vehicles fared much worse than the crash dummies in the lighter > >> > > >>vehicles. But the still photos were very dramatic. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>Several years of real world crash experience bears out the > >> testing. The > >> > > >>heavier vehicles are killers. But General Jerry sings opera and > >> drives > >> > > >>his SUV down the mountain with impunity. Sadly, too many have > >> wrapped > >> > > >>themselves emotionally around the issue and never read the crash > >> > > >>reports. > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > >> > > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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