Screw the big 3 auto makers. GO BANKTUPT!

The Big 3 have neither earned or deserve anykind of a bailout. ****'
EM!
Let them go under! These companies have ignored and cheated the
public for years and built nothing but a lot of over-priced junk for
too long. The GM Dealership wanted $20 for ONE single rubber fuel
injector O-ring...............for ONE rubber O-ring!

I went accross the street HEP and bought all 4 rubber o-rings I needed
for a dollar!
**** GM, their grossly overpaid employees,....and there $20 a piece O-
rings! **** THEM INTO BANKRUPTCY!!!!!!
What the hell did you think was going to happen you greedy *******s!.

$100 for an ignition key! $200 to re-set the computer...... after I re-
installed a new ignition lock myself!

20-30 years ago , the key would've cost under a dollar with no
computer to have to re-encode. These are things one used to be able to
do themselves without having to rely on the GM dealer gouging the
consumer at every turn.
The Big 3's work force are abunch over-paid premadonnas that will soon
learn to have to live like the rest of us.

The Big 3's years of gougeing and bleeding the public dry (as well as
hoarding fuel economy increasing devices) are now comming to an end.

I would love to see the bIG 3 get what they deserve....which is NO
BAIL-OUT, total bankruptcy and massive lay-off's accross the board.

If anyone is looking for fuel injector O-rings for a 1998 chevy
tracker, **** the GM dealership!.....you can get all four of them at
any HEP store for about a dollar......GM wants about $20 a piece
for ...A SINGLE ONE!

part of any bail out has to be a major restructure in the way they work.

but the bad part is having enough to pay all their suppliers,





"Frank Grimes (Homer's Enemy)" > wrote in message
...
> The Big 3 have neither earned or deserve anykind of a bailout. ****'
> EM!
> Let them go under! These companies have ignored and cheated the
> public for years and built nothing but a lot of over-priced junk for
> too long. The GM Dealership wanted $20 for ONE single rubber fuel
> injector O-ring...............for ONE rubber O-ring!
>
> I went accross the street HEP and bought all 4 rubber o-rings I needed
> for a dollar!
> **** GM, their grossly overpaid employees,....and there $20 a piece O-
> rings! **** THEM INTO BANKRUPTCY!!!!!!
> What the hell did you think was going to happen you greedy *******s!.
>
> $100 for an ignition key! $200 to re-set the computer...... after I re-
> installed a new ignition lock myself!
>
> 20-30 years ago , the key would've cost under a dollar with no
> computer to have to re-encode. These are things one used to be able to
> do themselves without having to rely on the GM dealer gouging the
> consumer at every turn.
> The Big 3's work force are abunch over-paid premadonnas that will soon
> learn to have to live like the rest of us.
>
> The Big 3's years of gougeing and bleeding the public dry (as well as
> hoarding fuel economy increasing devices) are now comming to an end.
>
> I would love to see the bIG 3 get what they deserve....which is NO
> BAIL-OUT, total bankruptcy and massive lay-off's accross the board.
>
> If anyone is looking for fuel injector O-rings for a 1998 chevy
> tracker, **** the GM dealership!.....you can get all four of them at
> any HEP store for about a dollar......GM wants about $20 a piece
> for ...A SINGLE ONE!

"Frank Grimes (Homer's Enemy)" > wrote in message
...
> The Big 3 have neither earned or deserve anykind of a bailout. ****'
> EM!
> Let them go under! These companies have ignored and cheated the
> public for years and built nothing but a lot of over-priced junk for
> too long. The GM Dealership wanted $20 for ONE single rubber fuel
> injector O-ring...............for ONE rubber O-ring!
>

I've run into the same thing with imports - it's worse, in many cases since
the aftermarket often doesen't have a substitute AT ALL.

You can thank the crowd of people in the US that are called "new car
buyers" for that.

If you bought your car used, you opinion isn't worth ****, son.

If you bought your car new, did you look under the hood when you
bought it? Did you tell the salesperson you wanted a car easy to
service? Did you check with the parts guy for prices for some
common parts before buying it?

If the answer is NO then you have your answer, seems to me.

Ted

No-one bailed out the airlines as they went bankrupt and/or merged.
Let the big 3 declare bankruptcy. They will emerge leaner and meaner.
They will be able to terminate the pensions and lifetime healthcare
benefits that cost a great portion of the cost of every new car sold.
They will be able to renegotiate the union contracts and bring them
back in line with the rest of the country. If the unions balk, let
them strike. They will eventually realize that if they don't make the
concessions, they and their rank and file members will both be without
jobs. After the bankruptcy they will be able to hire new workers with
new benefit packages and let the unions fall by the side.

On Nov 17, 3:15*pm, "Frank Grimes (Homer's Enemy)" >
wrote:
> The Big 3 have neither earned or deserve anykind of a bailout. ****'
> EM!
> *Let them go under! *These companies have ignored and cheated the
> public for years and *built nothing but a lot of over-priced junk for
> too long. The GM Dealership wanted $20 for ONE single rubber fuel
> injector O-ring...............for ONE rubber O-ring!
>
> I went accross the street HEP and bought all 4 rubber o-rings I needed
> for a dollar!
> **** GM, their grossly overpaid employees,....and there $20 a piece O-
> rings! ***** THEM INTO BANKRUPTCY!!!!!!
> What the hell did you think was going to happen you greedy *******s!.
>
> $100 for an ignition key! $200 to re-set the computer...... after I re-
> installed a new ignition lock myself!
>
> 20-30 years ago , the key would've cost under a dollar with no
> computer to have to re-encode. These are things one used to be able to
> do themselves without having to rely on the GM dealer gouging the
> consumer at every turn.
> The Big 3's work force are abunch over-paid premadonnas that will soon
> learn to have to live like the rest of us.
>
> The Big 3's *years of gougeing and bleeding the public dry (as well as
> hoarding fuel economy increasing devices) *are now comming to an end.
>
> I would love to see the bIG 3 get what they deserve....which is NO
> BAIL-OUT, total bankruptcy and massive lay-off's accross the board.
>
> If anyone is looking for fuel injector O-rings for a 1998 chevy
> tracker, **** the GM dealership!.....you can get all four of them at
> any HEP store for about a dollar......GM wants about $20 a piece
> for *...A SINGLE ONE!

AMEN:
i'm with you on this,i have owned Chrysler vechicles for over 20
years and have been taken for,i must say that every new one that i
have purchased i had to take it back to the dealer for something
stupid within the first 3 months.
now i must tell you that since own a couple of the makes,NOT GM or
FORD, for over 2 years i have NOT had to take neither one of them back
to the dealer for anything other than free oil changes and i have over
35K on both.
Think about it now,do any of the other car makers have to be bail out?
No, that's because they seem to care more about building a solid long
lasting product.
Shoudn't the big 3 ask themselfs a question,WHAT IN THE **** ARE WE
DOING WRONG?
We are building ****,while the others are building QUALITY and they
also have PRIDE and 1000% better QUALITY CONTROL.

While I agree that the big-3 need to re-focus on the existing market and fix
the underlying root business issues, I do not believe that
reliability/quality was one of them .

I can't comment on current US auto build and design quality, but can tell
you that my family's last 6 new auto purchases (All US auto makers,
primarily Chrysler: 1987 Chrysler LeBaron GTS, 1990 Dodge Caravan, 1996
Eagle/Chrysler Vision, 1999 Chrysler Minivan, 2001 Dodge Intrepid, 2004
Mercury/Ford Sable) have all been pretty much defect free during the 3
year/36K warranty period. The one exception was a cracked flex
plate/flywheel on the 1999 T&C Minivan which was replaced under warranty at
37K miles. The older vehicles all went over 10 years/100K miles without
issues. The exception there was the 1990 caravan which had two issues, both
of which were design problems (air conditioner evaporator and 4-speed
transmission). All other costs during ownership could be classified as basic
maintenance or nuisance items. I will even say that none of the above
vehicles (3 of which are still in the family and driven daily) burns a
noticeable amount of oil during 3K mile interval changes or drips any fluids
either on our garage floor.

In general, I've been pretty happy with the quality of all of the above
referenced vehicles, especially compared to the 4 (GM-brands) vehicles I
had purchased in the 1980's that preceded them.

Bob


"Bentracer and Bentrider" > wrote in message
...

I'm with you on this,i have owned Chrysler vechicles for over 20
years and have been taken for,i must say that every new one that i
have purchased i had to take it back to the dealer for something
stupid within the first 3 months.
now i must tell you that since own a couple of the makes,NOT GM or
FORD, for over 2 years i have NOT had to take neither one of them back
to the dealer for anything other than free oil changes and i have over
35K on both.
Think about it now,do any of the other car makers have to be bail out?
No, that's because they seem to care more about building a solid long
lasting product.
Shoudn't the big 3 ask themselfs a question,WHAT IN THE **** ARE WE
DOING WRONG?
We are building ****,while the others are building QUALITY and they
also have PRIDE and 1000% better QUALITY CONTROL.

"Bentracer and Bentrider" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 17, 3:15 pm, "Frank Grimes (Homer's Enemy)" >
wrote:
> The Big 3 have neither earned or deserve anykind of a bailout. ****'
> EM!
> Let them go under! These companies have ignored and cheated the
> public for years and built nothing but a lot of over-priced junk for
> too long. The GM Dealership wanted $20 for ONE single rubber fuel
> injector O-ring...............for ONE rubber O-ring!
>
> I went accross the street HEP and bought all 4 rubber o-rings I needed
> for a dollar!
> **** GM, their grossly overpaid employees,....and there $20 a piece O-
> rings! **** THEM INTO BANKRUPTCY!!!!!!
> What the hell did you think was going to happen you greedy *******s!.
>
> $100 for an ignition key! $200 to re-set the computer...... after I re-
> installed a new ignition lock myself!
>
> 20-30 years ago , the key would've cost under a dollar with no
> computer to have to re-encode. These are things one used to be able to
> do themselves without having to rely on the GM dealer gouging the
> consumer at every turn.
> The Big 3's work force are abunch over-paid premadonnas that will soon
> learn to have to live like the rest of us.
>
> The Big 3's years of gougeing and bleeding the public dry (as well as
> hoarding fuel economy increasing devices) are now comming to an end.
>
> I would love to see the bIG 3 get what they deserve....which is NO
> BAIL-OUT, total bankruptcy and massive lay-off's accross the board.
>
> If anyone is looking for fuel injector O-rings for a 1998 chevy
> tracker, **** the GM dealership!.....you can get all four of them at
> any HEP store for about a dollar......GM wants about $20 a piece
> for ...A SINGLE ONE!

AMEN:
i'm with you on this,i have owned Chrysler vechicles for over 20
years and have been taken for,i must say that every new one that i
have purchased i had to take it back to the dealer for something
stupid within the first 3 months.
now i must tell you that since own a couple of the makes,NOT GM or
FORD, for over 2 years i have NOT had to take neither one of them back
to the dealer for anything other than free oil changes and i have over
35K on both.
Think about it now,do any of the other car makers have to be bail out?
No, that's because they seem to care more about building a solid long
lasting product.
Shoudn't the big 3 ask themselfs a question,WHAT IN THE **** ARE WE
DOING WRONG?
We are building ****,while the others are building QUALITY and they
also have PRIDE and 1000% better QUALITY CONTROL.


look at imports all day long and you will see some big issues with them as
well.
and regardless of make or model, a dealer only part or repair will be damn
expensive