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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
I have recently bought a 2004 Sebring with the 2.4L 16 V engine.
I really like the car but have noticed a ticking noise which is worse when the car is warmed up. I am quite sure it is a cam follower. The car has been dealer serviced and the oil has been changed every 5000 kms.... Oil is still a golden colour. Last oil change done by canadian tyre...... The previous owner had it since new and has all the reciepts..... Is there much chance that canadian tyre could have used the wrong viscosity oil which is causing the noise? Are these engines prone to this problem? Would this be an expensive thing to replace? Could i do it if i get a manual? I would really appreciate any advice. Thanks Jon -- Posted at author's request, using moderated http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface Thread archive: http://www.AutoBoardz.com/2004-sebri...ict250241.html |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
aquatame wrote:
> I have recently bought a 2004 Sebring with the 2.4L 16 V engine. > I really like the car but have noticed a ticking noise which is worse > when the car is warmed up. I am quite sure it is a cam follower. > The car has been dealer serviced and the oil has been changed every > 5000 kms.... Oil is still a golden colour. > Last oil change done by canadian tyre...... > The previous owner had it since new and has all the reciepts..... > Is there much chance that canadian tyre could have used the wrong > viscosity oil which is causing the noise? > Are these engines prone to this problem? > Would this be an expensive thing to replace? > Could i do it if i get a manual? > I would really appreciate any advice. > > Thanks > Jon > Don't know if this relates to your car or not, but receipts don't prove anything regarding oil/filter changes. It is not uncommon at all for consumers to be charges for such services and the work not done - and that includes from dealers. I have personally witnessed this with oil and filter changes more than once (these places rely on the consumer being ignorant or just not checking behind them), as well as videos being available from sting/exposé operations proving same. Again - not saying that is the case for yours, but it wouldn't at all be unusual. You might do a cleanout using Marvel Mystery Oil. Put 8 ozs. in with an oil change, and repeat forever for a gradual controlled cleanout and future preventative. Change the oil and filter again at 1500 miles the first time after you add the MMO. The noise could be from a lifter with a piece of dirt in it that might purge itself out with some cleaning Also consider that accessory belts and their idler/tensioner pulleys can mimic valve train noises - the pulley bearings do wear out and should be replaced periodically (I do mine every other belt change). How many miles on the engine? The timing belt is due for change at 60k miles, and the engine is interference, meaning that if it breaks, there will be very expensive engine damage. Water pump is timing belt driven and should be replaced at the same time. It is possible that the timing belt or its tensioner are making noise too. Find out if there are any Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's) on it for valve train noise/issues. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
On Nov 13, 4:16*am, Bill Putney > wrote:
> aquatame wrote: > > I have recently bought a 2004 Sebring with the 2.4L 16 V engine. > > I really like the car but have noticed a ticking noise which is worse > > when the car is warmed up. I am quite sure it is a cam follower. > > The car has been dealer serviced and the oil has been changed every > > 5000 kms.... Oil is still a golden colour. > > Last oil change done by canadian tyre...... > > The previous owner had it since new and has all the reciepts..... > > Is there much chance that canadian tyre could have used the wrong > > viscosity oil which is causing the noise? > > Are these engines prone to this problem? > > Would this be an expensive thing to replace? > > Could i do it if i get a manual? > > I would really appreciate any advice. > > > Thanks > > Jon > > Don't know if this relates to your car or not, but receipts don't prove > anything regarding oil/filter changes. *It is not uncommon at all for > consumers to be charges for such services and the work not done - and > that includes from dealers. *I have personally witnessed this with oil > and filter changes more than once (these places rely on the consumer > being ignorant or just not checking behind them), as well as videos > being available from sting/exposé operations proving same. *Again - not > saying that is the case for yours, but it wouldn't at all be unusual. > > You might do a cleanout using Marvel Mystery Oil. *Put 8 ozs. in with an > oil change, and repeat forever for a gradual controlled cleanout and > future preventative. *Change the oil and filter again at 1500 miles the > first time after you add the MMO. *The noise could be from a lifter with > a piece of dirt in it that might purge itself out with some cleaning > > Also consider that accessory belts and their idler/tensioner pulleys can > mimic valve train noises - the pulley bearings do wear out and should be > replaced periodically (I do mine every other belt change). > > How many miles on the engine? *The timing belt is due for change at 60k > miles, and the engine is interference, meaning that if it breaks, there > will be very expensive engine damage. *Water pump is timing belt driven > and should be replaced at the same time. *It is possible that the timing > belt or its tensioner are making noise too. > > Find out if there are any Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's) on it for > valve train noise/issues. > > -- > Bill Putney > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with the letter 'x')- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The 2.4L in my Stratus just reached 90,000 miles. I am planning on a timing belt change at 95,000. Since the OP has a 2004, it would have the newer "wind up" timing belt tensioner. Other than a timing belt change, I can't think of anything else this engine would need. -KM |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
thanks for the advice Bill.
Where would one go to find the TSB"S? the engine has 118000 kms which is around 70,000 miles I think. "Bill Putney" wrote: > aquatame wrote: > > I have recently bought a 2004 Sebring with the 2.4L 16 V > engine. > > I really like the car but have noticed a ticking noise which > is worse > > when the car is warmed up. I am quite sure it is a cam > follower. > > The car has been dealer serviced and the oil has been > changed every > > 5000 kms.... Oil is still a golden colour. > > Last oil change done by canadian tyre...... > > The previous owner had it since new and has all the > reciepts..... > > Is there much chance that canadian tyre could have used the > wrong > > viscosity oil which is causing the noise? > > Are these engines prone to this problem? > > Would this be an expensive thing to replace? > > Could i do it if i get a manual? > > I would really appreciate any advice. > > > > Thanks > > Jon > > > > Don't know if this relates to your car or not, but receipts > don't prove > anything regarding oil/filter changes. It is not uncommon at > all for > consumers to be charges for such services and the work not > done - and > that includes from dealers. I have personally witnessed this > with oil > and filter changes more than once (these places rely on the > consumer > being ignorant or just not checking behind them), as well as > videos > being available from sting/exposé operations proving same. > Again - not > saying that is the case for yours, but it wouldn't at all be > unusual. > > You might do a cleanout using Marvel Mystery Oil. Put 8 ozs. > in with an > oil change, and repeat forever for a gradual controlled > cleanout and > future preventative. Change the oil and filter again at 1500 > miles the > first time after you add the MMO. The noise could be from a > lifter with > a piece of dirt in it that might purge itself out with some > cleaning > > Also consider that accessory belts and their idler/tensioner > pulleys can > mimic valve train noises - the pulley bearings do wear out and > should be > replaced periodically (I do mine every other belt change). > > How many miles on the engine? The timing belt is due for > change at 60k > miles, and the engine is interference, meaning that if it > breaks, there > will be very expensive engine damage. Water pump is timing > belt driven > and should be replaced at the same time. It is possible that > the timing > belt or its tensioner are making noise too. > > Find out if there are any Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's) > on it for > valve train noise/issues. > > -- > Bill Putney > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet > in my > address with the letter 'x') |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
KirkM wrote:
> The 2.4L in my Stratus just reached 90,000 miles. I am planning on a > timing belt change at 95,000. Some reason you are ignoring the recommended 60k mile change interval given in the Gates book (I assume it is the correct info.)? You do realize what happens if the belt craps out? Perhaps yours is a California car, which has a 100k interval? > Since the OP has a 2004, it would have the newer "wind up" timing belt > tensioner. Other than a timing belt change, I can't think of anything > else this engine would need. > > -KM The part that goes bad on tensioners regardless of how they are adjusted are the bearings for the tensioner pulley. I can't tell if you are or are not planning on replacing that with the belt, but you definitely should. Also - the water pump is driven by the timing belt (again, if the Gates Timing Belt Guide is correct). It would be wrong not to also replace the water pump when you replace the belt, particularly at close to 100k miles since you will already be in there. Again, the consequences of the water pump going out (say, locking up) would be expensive, as people have often found out on cars with the water pump stupidly driven by the t-belt (or chain, as in the 2.7L Chrysler engine). -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
In article <1215362_c5aa2259d3a5f832fc5c7e33129e2d8d@autoboar dz.com>,
aquatame > wrote: > The car has been dealer serviced and the oil has been changed every > 5000 kms.... Oil is still a golden colour. > Last oil change done by canadian tyre...... > The previous owner had it since new and has all the reciepts..... > Is there much chance that canadian tyre could have used the wrong > viscosity oil which is causing the noise? The last place I'd get an oil change is Canadian Tire (CTC). Also I recommend a higher grade of oil, such as Castrol GTX. What oil type was the dealer using, synthetic? |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
On Nov 13, 3:28*pm, Bill Putney > wrote:
> KirkM wrote: > > The 2.4L in my Stratus just reached 90,000 miles. I am planning on a > > timing belt change at 95,000. > > Some reason you are ignoring the recommended 60k mile change interval > given in the Gates book (I assume it is the correct info.)? *You do > realize what happens if the belt craps out? *Perhaps yours is a > California car, which has a 100k interval? > > > Since the OP has a 2004, it would have the newer "wind up" timing belt > > tensioner. Other than a timing belt change, I can't think of anything > > else this engine would need. > > > -KM > > The part that goes bad on tensioners regardless of how they are adjusted > are the bearings for the tensioner pulley. *I can't tell if you are or > are not planning on replacing that with the belt, but you definitely > should. *Also - the water pump is driven by the timing belt (again, if > the Gates Timing Belt Guide is correct). *It would be wrong not to also > replace the water pump when you replace the belt, particularly at close > to 100k miles since you will already be in there. *Again, the > consequences of the water pump going out (say, locking up) would be > expensive, as people have often found out on cars with the water pump > stupidly driven by the t-belt (or chain, as in the 2.7L Chrysler engine). > > -- > Bill Putney > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with the letter 'x') The change interval for the timing belt in the owners manual specifies 101,000 miles. I am planning to do it at 95,000. As you indicate, I will have them change the water pump at the same time. I had a 1990 Dodge Spirit with a 2.5L engine. The change interval for the timing belt was specified was for 50,000 miles. When my 2.4 had 53,000 miles, I had to have headgasket changed. It was a common problem for early 2.4's. I asked the shop if it would make sense to go ahead and change the timing belt. They assured me that it was still in good condition, and would most likely make it to the recommended 101,000 change interval. Is my owner's manual incorrect? Thanks, KM |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
KirkM wrote:
> Is my owner's manual incorrect? I'm sure your owner's manual is correct. The Gates manual shows 90k, 100k, and 105k for the Stratus 2.4 depending on year, and you don't say what year. For the OP's engine, I had looked at the wrong engine in the Gates guide. The OP's change interval is 90,000 miles according to Gates. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
KirkM wrote:
> > The change interval for the timing belt in the owners manual specifies > 101,000 miles. I am planning to do it at 95,000. > As you indicate, I will have them change the water pump at the same > time. I had a 1990 Dodge Spirit with a 2.5L engine. > The change interval for the timing belt was specified was for 50,000 > miles. Which is patently bizarre. If the timing belt on a 1990 2.5 were to break, the engine spins harmlessly to a stop with all the pistons clearing all the valves. New belt and you're on your way. Conversely, if the belt breaks on a 2.4, you're in for new valves (at least) and maybe a complete overhaul. 2.5s weren't notorious belt-breakers, either. |
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2004 sebring 2.4l 16 v engine 118000 kms on clock
Steve > writes:
> KirkM wrote: > >> >> The change interval for the timing belt in the owners manual specifies >> 101,000 miles. I am planning to do it at 95,000. >> As you indicate, I will have them change the water pump at the same >> time. I had a 1990 Dodge Spirit with a 2.5L engine. >> The change interval for the timing belt was specified was for 50,000 >> miles. > > Which is patently bizarre. If the timing belt on a 1990 2.5 were to > break, the engine spins harmlessly to a stop with all the pistons > clearing all the valves. New belt and you're on your way. Conversely, > if the belt breaks on a 2.4, you're in for new valves (at least) and > maybe a complete overhaul. 2.5s weren't notorious belt-breakers, > either. Not sure why that makes it bizarre -- I look at those figures and see that either timing belt materials are improving or Chrysler is getting less conservative with its change interval. The change interval should be set on making sure it's changed before it breaks, not on how much damage happens if it does break. |
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