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  #361  
Old June 25th 05, 05:17 PM
Nathan W. Collier
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"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
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> I already have... the burden is on you.


TRANSLATION --> "i cannot provide you with conclusive science"

thank you. i already knew that.


> The absence of science in your posts is telling...
> there are no scientists supporting your assertions.


you speak of "engineers" and tell me all about how engineers are gods and
above me, yet when i provide you with two solid links that clearly state
what ive been telling you, written by those same engineers, you drop
engineers and change it to scientists. :-)

the engineering is indeed science, and those from within the hvac industry
have spoken. you just dont want to listen because thats not what you were
taught in your seminars.

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  #362  
Old June 27th 05, 01:35 AM
Stephen Cowell
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"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message =
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> "Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message=20
> ...
> > I already have... the burden is on you.

>=20
> TRANSLATION --> "i cannot provide you with conclusive science"
>=20
> thank you. i already knew that.


Already done... you're stonewalling. You have no
science... give up.

> > The absence of science in your posts is telling...
> > there are no scientists supporting your assertions.

>=20
> you speak of "engineers" and tell me all about how engineers are gods =

and=20
> above me, yet when i provide you with two solid links that clearly =

state=20
> what ive been telling you, written by those same engineers, you drop=20
> engineers and change it to scientists. :-)


Sorry... no mention of ozone. Find a post that
supports your assertion that actually mentions
the ozone layer, which was your original bull****
assertion anyway... or FOAD.

> the engineering is indeed science, and those from within the hvac =

industry=20
> have spoken. you just dont want to listen because thats not what you =

were=20
> taught in your seminars.


And I published a link to an HVAC industry
periodical debunking your assertion.. I've got
all bases covered. You're at the end of your
rope... might as well jump off the stump! : )
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Steve
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  #363  
Old June 27th 05, 02:05 AM
Nathan W. Collier
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"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
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> Already done... you're stonewalling. You have no
> science


ive given you the science. clear instructions written by engineers from
within the hvac industry. :-)

> Sorry... no mention of ozone.


exactly. ozone isnt an issue since my links clearly prove that refrigerant
falls. theres no mention in my articles of jupiter either. why? because
its irrelevant.


> And I published a link to an HVAC industry
> periodical debunking your assertion


lol....._nothing_ conclusive in any of your links. my links clearly state
that refrigerant falls due to its weight. you just cant acknowledge
anything beyond your own liberal agenda.

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Old June 27th 05, 03:07 AM
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I think Stevie trying to tell us pigs can fly.
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"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> ive given you the science. clear instructions written by engineers from
> within the hvac industry. :-)
>
> exactly. ozone isnt an issue since my links clearly prove that refrigerant
> falls. theres no mention in my articles of jupiter either. why? because
> its irrelevant.
>
> lol....._nothing_ conclusive in any of your links. my links clearly state
> that refrigerant falls due to its weight. you just cant acknowledge
> anything beyond your own liberal agenda.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
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  #365  
Old June 27th 05, 05:00 AM
Nathan W. Collier
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"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
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> I think Stevie trying to tell us pigs can fly.


he's taught in his seminars that if he tells a lie often and loud enough,
that sooner or later everyone will believe him. one thing they didnt
prepare him for however, was truth.

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  #366  
Old June 27th 05, 05:40 AM
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The original of this idea is attributed to Joseph Goebbels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Earle

"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message
...
> "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I think Stevie trying to tell us pigs can fly.

>
> he's taught in his seminars that if he tells a lie often and loud enough,
> that sooner or later everyone will believe him. one thing they didnt
> prepare him for however, was truth.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>
>



  #367  
Old June 27th 05, 06:39 AM
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"Earle Horton" > wrote in message
news:1119847086.4258e4cc3de8b6fe1e50ca09cd57e4a2@t eranews...
> The original of this idea is attributed to Joseph Goebbels.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie


interesting indeed.

......glad to see you back earle.

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Old June 27th 05, 06:46 AM
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Are we trying to evoke the Godwin law? ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Earle Horton wrote:
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> The original of this idea is attributed to Joseph Goebbels.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
>
> Earle

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Old June 27th 05, 03:21 PM
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Not intentionally. I can tell you though that this technique works, whether
you are telling a lie or the truth. Just keep saying it, and people will
believe. I believe that it is understood best when read with a quote by
Lincoln. There are people who will just not listen to the truth, no matter
how loud and often it is shouted at them. "Some of the people, all of the
time." Nate's new sock puppet may be one of these.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
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> Are we trying to evoke the Godwin law? ;-)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > The original of this idea is attributed to Joseph Goebbels.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
> >
> > Earle



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Old June 27th 05, 03:29 PM
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Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
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>>Logical fallacy... you don't get to impugn the source

>
>
> lol youre basing your statements upon the credibility of the source! if the
> source is a self-serving governmental entity its conclusions are suspect at
> _best_. give me something conclusive from the scientific community.
>
>
>
>>Not science. No mention of ozone layer anywhere.

>
>
> because it will never reach the ozone. as it clearly stated, it falls
> because it is heavier than air.
>


Service manuals are not the bible. Any reasonably good tech knows that
they are only the starting point for thinking. Set the simplistic
language of service manuals for one moment and apply your problem
solving thought processes to other observable world phenomena: Water
vapor is heavier than air. We know this because fog is water vapor and
it lays near the ground. IF you follow the heavier than air argument as
absolute truth, then clouds cannot exist. For example, if you take an
average cumulus cloud, it will be about a mile square by about half a
mile thick and will have a water vapor/ice crystal weight of about 2000
tons. That is certainly "heavier than air".
How is that possible when some service manual says vapors heaver than
air irrevocably fall to the ground? The answer is yes vapors heaver than
air fall, in a localized environment, like immediately adjacent to a
leaking line, but, like a water drop evaporating and eventually becoming
part of a cloud, it will diffuse into the atmosphere.

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