hydrogen for nothing

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"RichD" > wrote in message
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> www.nationalvapor.com


wow

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:48:51 -0600, > wrote:

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>"RichD" > wrote in message
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>> www.nationalvapor.com
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>wow


Yeah...wow A perpetual motion machine!

Don
www.donsautomotive.com
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>

I once read about a guy in Colorado who built a little model ''perpetual
motion'' car that runs on hydrogen in a science class.Put water in the
tank and it turns into hydrogen and supposely will run forever.It is a
little kit car and you can buy one at places that sell science products.
cuhulin

> wrote in message
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> I once read about a guy in Colorado who built a little model ''perpetual
> motion'' car that runs on hydrogen in a science class.Put water in the
> tank and it turns into hydrogen and supposely will run forever.It is a
> little kit car and you can buy one at places that sell science products.
> cuhulin

There is no problem with running a car on hydrogen. But you can never
get more energy out of something than it has in it, crudely put.

Perpetual motion in this sense is impossible.

This hydrogen generator is no different.

RichD wrote:
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$800 for an electrolyzer!!! And the ammeter is $30 extra!!!
That's hardly for nothing!

RichD wrote:

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"Hydrogen for nothing, and your chicks for free..."

-sconzey

--
"Violence is the last resort of the incompetent."
-- Isaac Asimov

"What am I to do with 3 monkeys trained to attack anyone with 11 items...?"

Dear David A. Smith,

On Feb 4, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" > wrote:
> Dear RichD:
> >www.nationalvapor.com
>
> Electrolysis = electricity
> Electricity =/= free
> The amount of hydrogen liberated during electrolysis represents
> less energy that it took to make it.

Not so fast.

The alternator is continually generating current, correct?
Some goes to the regulator, for the car's electricity. Some
of it goes to battery charging. And when the battery reaches
full charge, it dissipates as heat... suppose that energy
went into electrolysis. Especially during braking... regenerative
braking, anyone?

How much (over) charging current is lost as heat, normally?

And what about the testimonials in the newspaper story?
20% gain in fuel mileage.

It's amusing to watch the 'scientists' wave their hands,
shout 'conservation of energy, there's no free lunch!' and
miss the target by a mile. It reminds me of the student
who claims that a bullet fired horizontally from a gun hits
the ground at the same time as a dropped bullet, because
G acceleration is the same..

--
Rich

"RichD" > wrote in message oups.com...
> Dear David A. Smith,
>
> On Feb 4, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" > wrote:
>> Dear RichD:
>> >www.nationalvapor.com
>>
>> Electrolysis = electricity
>> Electricity =/= free
>> The amount of hydrogen liberated during electrolysis represents
>> less energy that it took to make it.
>
> Not so fast.
>
> The alternator is continually generating current, correct?

Not so fast. No, totally incorrect.

> Some goes to the regulator, for the car's electricity.

Not so fast. No, totally incorrect.

> Some of it goes to battery charging.
> And when the battery reaches
> full charge, it dissipates as heat...

Not so fast.
When the car reaches the top of the hill it stops going up.
When the battery reaches full charge the alternator no longer
supplies current to it.

> suppose that energy
> went into electrolysis.

Not so fast.
The energy is supplied to the alternator by the engine.


Especially during braking... regenerative
> braking, anyone?

Not so fast.
Regenerative braking is is recharging the battery as the car
goes downhill, recovering some of the energy used going uphill.

>
> How much (over) charging current is lost as heat, normally?

Not so fast.
You are confusing current and voltage with watts.


> And what about the testimonials in the newspaper story?
> 20% gain in fuel mileage.


Not so fast.
I didn't read it.


> It's amusing to watch the 'scientists' wave their hands,
> shout 'conservation of energy, there's no free lunch!' and
> miss the target by a mile.

Not so fast.
You sure missed the target by a kilowatt. Most amusing.

> It reminds me of the student
> who claims that a bullet fired horizontally from a gun hits
> the ground at the same time as a dropped bullet, because
> G acceleration is the same..

Not so fast.
At least he knew what he was talking about and was right.

You want perpetual motion? The Foucault Pendulum in Philadelphia,Penns
Woods.There are similar Pendulums elsewhere too.
cuhulin