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Safe Operating Temperature - 427 Side-Oiler
I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around 195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary stuff. This weekend I changed out the thermostat (put a new 160 in), did a cheapo Zerek radiator flush, and added new coolant w/ water wetter. Started up the car, heated up til' 160, leveled off, then started slowly bumping up the temperature. I got nervous at 215 and turned it off. As far as a I know the heater core is working. There is no fan shroud. Fan sits about 3 inches back from the radiator. Radiator looks like a rebuilt original (car was a 289 car originally) - I looked inside during the flush and it's a 3-row, and there was minimal corrosion. It DOES, however, look small next to that 427. What's a safe operating range for an engine of that size? Any other suggestions as to what the problem might be? Oil? Other? If it's the water pump, how can I know if it's failed? Best case scenario is that I'd like to get the problem fixed so driving in 90 degree weather isn't a problem...it gets hot & humid here haha. Also can anyone suggest a good shop in the Baltimore area where I can get this looked at, if it gets out of hand? Thanks! Jason |
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"Willis" > wrote in message ups.com... > > I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) > bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not > moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around > 195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was > pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary > stuff. > > This weekend I changed out the thermostat (put a new 160 in), did a > cheapo Zerek radiator flush, and added new coolant w/ water wetter. > > Started up the car, heated up til' 160, leveled off, then started > slowly bumping up the temperature. I got nervous at 215 and turned it > off. > > As far as a I know the heater core is working. There is no fan shroud. > Fan sits about 3 inches back from the radiator. Radiator looks like a > rebuilt original (car was a 289 car originally) - I looked inside > during the flush and it's a 3-row, and there was minimal corrosion. It > DOES, however, look small next to that 427. > > What's a safe operating range for an engine of that size? > > Any other suggestions as to what the problem might be? Oil? Other? > If it's the water pump, how can I know if it's failed? Best case > scenario is that I'd like to get the problem fixed so driving in 90 > degree weather isn't a problem...it gets hot & humid here haha. > > Also can anyone suggest a good shop in the Baltimore area where I can > get this looked at, if it gets out of hand? > > Thanks! > > Jason > You be a man in need of a larger radiator. (grin) It sounds to me like your cooling capacity is insuficent. If it only acts up at idle a fan shroud would help a lot. -- Alan Gallacher Born to Tinker! |
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Anumber1 wrote: > "Willis" > wrote in message > ups.com... > > > > I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) > > bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not > > moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around > > 195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was > > pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary > > stuff. > > > > This weekend I changed out the thermostat (put a new 160 in), did a > > cheapo Zerek radiator flush, and added new coolant w/ water wetter. > > > > Started up the car, heated up til' 160, leveled off, then started > > slowly bumping up the temperature. I got nervous at 215 and turned it > > off. > > > > As far as a I know the heater core is working. There is no fan shroud. > > Fan sits about 3 inches back from the radiator. Radiator looks like a > > rebuilt original (car was a 289 car originally) - I looked inside > > during the flush and it's a 3-row, and there was minimal corrosion. It > > DOES, however, look small next to that 427. > > > > What's a safe operating range for an engine of that size? > > > > Any other suggestions as to what the problem might be? Oil? Other? > > If it's the water pump, how can I know if it's failed? Best case > > scenario is that I'd like to get the problem fixed so driving in 90 > > degree weather isn't a problem...it gets hot & humid here haha. > > > > Also can anyone suggest a good shop in the Baltimore area where I can > > get this looked at, if it gets out of hand? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jason > > > You be a man in need of a larger radiator. (grin) > It sounds to me like your cooling capacity is insuficent. If it only acts > up at idle a fan shroud would help a lot. > yeah, you need a fan shroud... I'm in your area, I'll be happy to install it for you as long as I get to thoroughly test drive it afterward <SEG> nate |
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I'm not an expert on the Galaxie but am pretty sure that by the early
60s, they and their similarly powered Ford stablemates were supposed to have a sizable fan shroud, often adorned with a big sticker warning you not to insert any body parts that you want back: http://www.galaxieclub.com/internati...ayrest030.html Also, make sure the fan clutch, if fitted (probably so), is working properly: http://www.ifsja.org/tech/ac/fan_clutch.shtml And don't forget the silly things: making sure all the hoses are hooked up right, the radiator's pressure cap is in good shape, and there's enough coolant of more or less the right proportions of water and glycol. Best of luck, --Joe |
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Not related here, but for correctness at a car show or the like, a .030 over
427 is right about 432 cu.in. "Willis" > wrote in message ups.com... > > I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) > bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not > moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around > 195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was > pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary > stuff. > > This weekend I changed out the thermostat (put a new 160 in), did a > cheapo Zerek radiator flush, and added new coolant w/ water wetter. > > Started up the car, heated up til' 160, leveled off, then started > slowly bumping up the temperature. I got nervous at 215 and turned it > off. > > As far as a I know the heater core is working. There is no fan shroud. > Fan sits about 3 inches back from the radiator. Radiator looks like a > rebuilt original (car was a 289 car originally) - I looked inside > during the flush and it's a 3-row, and there was minimal corrosion. It > DOES, however, look small next to that 427. > > What's a safe operating range for an engine of that size? > > Any other suggestions as to what the problem might be? Oil? Other? > If it's the water pump, how can I know if it's failed? Best case > scenario is that I'd like to get the problem fixed so driving in 90 > degree weather isn't a problem...it gets hot & humid here haha. > > Also can anyone suggest a good shop in the Baltimore area where I can > get this looked at, if it gets out of hand? > > Thanks! > > Jason > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Willis wrote:
> As far as a I know the heater core is working. There is no fan shroud. > Fan sits about 3 inches back from the radiator. Theres the big problem. You NEED a fan shroud. Big-blocks are rarely happy sitting in traffic without a fan shroud. I can't stress enough what a HUGE difference a shroud makes. Radiator looks like a > rebuilt original (car was a 289 car originally) - I looked inside > during the flush and it's a 3-row, and there was minimal corrosion. It > DOES, however, look small next to that 427. > > What's a safe operating range for an engine of that size? Mechanical damage isn't going to start until the coolant temps hit 230-240 degrees and stay there, but a happy big-block should run right where the thermostat opens. It shouldn't creep up a whole lot, either in traffic/idling (an air-flow problem) or at highway speeds (a restricted coolant flow problem. |
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On 31 May 2005 13:06:25 -0700, "Willis" >
wrote: > >I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) >bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not >moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around >195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was >pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary >stuff. > 215 isn't horrible. If it gets to 230 then you need to speed up the engine to cool it or shut down. How's your idle speed? If it is very low it could slow the waterflow to the point of overheating. First try turning the heater on high to see if the temp drops any. If it does then you know the water pump is ok and the flow is good but the radiator isn't doing the job. Does the fan have a clutch? If the fan is clutched it should have a shroud. Usually the shroud came on a factory A/C car but even if you didn't have one from the factotry it would be a great benefit. Hypothetically you don't want a shroud and a fixed fan though. With a shroud all the air has to go by the fan. With a clutched fan the air can spin the fan at high speeds to get by but if the fan is fixed it can hinder the air flow and cause high speed overheating issues. Good luck. Got any pictures of your car on the net? Steve B. |
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"Willis" > wrote in message
ups.com... > > I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) > bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not > moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around > 195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was > pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary > stuff. > > This weekend I changed out the thermostat (put a new 160 in), did a > cheapo Zerek radiator flush, and added new coolant w/ water wetter. > > Started up the car, heated up til' 160, leveled off, then started > slowly bumping up the temperature. I got nervous at 215 and turned it > off. > > As far as a I know the heater core is working. There is no fan shroud. > Fan sits about 3 inches back from the radiator. Radiator looks like a > rebuilt original (car was a 289 car originally) - I looked inside > during the flush and it's a 3-row, and there was minimal corrosion. It > DOES, however, look small next to that 427. > > What's a safe operating range for an engine of that size? > > Any other suggestions as to what the problem might be? Oil? Other? > If it's the water pump, how can I know if it's failed? Best case > scenario is that I'd like to get the problem fixed so driving in 90 > degree weather isn't a problem...it gets hot & humid here haha. > > Also can anyone suggest a good shop in the Baltimore area where I can > get this looked at, if it gets out of hand? > > Thanks! > > Jason > > No good airflow---- First buy a big block radiator. probably 4 row or bigger. Then make or find the proper shroud. Without it that fan may as well be gone. As long as your running good oil and are seeing good oil pressure it isn't a factor. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Willis" > wrote in message ups.com... > > I have an overheating problem in my '63 Galaxie, 427 Sideoiler (no AC) > bored .030 over to a 454 - seems to be heating up bigtime when I'm not > moving. Last time it scared me I had been driving with temps around > 195. I stopped to go to the ATM and when I came back the car was > pushing 215. That's a 20 degree jump in less than 5 minutes. Scary > stuff. > I have a 68 Torino with a 302 in it. The factory radiator isn't really even good enough for the 302. At idle, with a fixed blade fan, the car will overheat if left idling too long. Remove the engine-mounted fan from the water pump and mount an electric fan behind the radiator. There should be enough room with the fan gone. See he http://www.hotrodair.com/pg19a.cfm This will give you some horsepower since the engine mounted fan really sucks. Ted |
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Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: > I'm not an expert on the Galaxie but am pretty sure that by the early > 60s, they and their similarly powered Ford stablemates were supposed to > have a sizable fan shroud, often adorned with a big sticker warning you > not to insert any body parts that you want back: > > http://www.galaxieclub.com/internati...ayrest030.html As an aside, that expansion tank looks EXACTLY like the one used on the Studebaker Avantis... will have to file that away as a possible interchange (might have to modify a little, but ya know...) nate |
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