Slick 50 - FROM THE BEGINNING?

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:49:23 -0600, (Rebecca Webb)
wrote:

>First, a thank you to all who contributed to making my Ford Contour last
>to 156K before I traded it in.
>
>Now I've got a 2004 Ford Taurus, purchased in February at 20K miles
>(Certified pre-owned, 6 years/75K warranty). I'm ready for my first oil
>change. Having a debate with the dealer mechanic. I was going to have
>them put in Slick 50, which my dad insists is a great preventative: an
>engine lubricated with Slick 50 every 50,000 miles from the very beginning
>won't experience engine part break-down, he says.
>
>The dealer argues. Oil today (I'll be using 5-20) is so good, you don't
>need Slick 50 and will NOT suffer any engine part damage until... well,
>don't start using it until 80K, after your warranty expires, he says. My
>paranoid internal reaction: "You want me to neglect the slick 50 for the
>first 80K so that the second the warranty expires, I'll start having
>unceasing engine problems."
>
>Thoughts? I used Slick 50 in the contour from the get-go (bought it 3
>years old with 30K on it).
>
>RW

You did approx 126K in 3 years on your Contour if I'm reading this
correctly. So.... your car tends not to do a lot of stone cold for
weeks dry starting (I'd imagine), You're also swapping your car after
3 years... If you're worried about longevity, talk to the taxi
mechanics or police mechanics or bus/truck mechanics. I think you
might be surprised at how few use Slick 50, or any other additive.

IF you want to use it, go ahead. The amount of driving you do will
mean that the engine will plug up & puke out after you've traded it in
on something else.

Another approach is to talk to everyone you know who drives a car and
ask each of them how often they personally have had, not they know
someone who know's someone who's had an engine fail, but someone who's
actually had their own engine fail due to oil starvation issues.

I've changed oil on a Ford F150 Pickup that hadn't had it's oil
changed for 40K. It had conventional oil. Inline 6, Fram filter.
Black, tar oil from the pan, filter base silted up 1/2 way.

It was driven the wreckers years later with a rotten body and nearly
200,000 on the clock. No oil additives ever.

Give your engine 30 seconds warm up each time you start it cold &
you'll be fine, or.... add Slick 50, give it 30 seconds warm up each
time you start it cold & change your oil & vehicle often & you'll be
fine.

Either way you should be ok. Modern cars are pretty rugged & cheap to
replace, go with what gives YOU peace of mind.

"Tom Adkins" > wrote in message
...
> pick one wrote:
>> "Bob M." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>"Tom Adkins" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> Slick 50 will certainly not harm your motor, but there is no real way to
>>>> tell if there is any benefit. If Pop insists on it, pour it in. Then you
>>>> will both be happy.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Tom
>>>
>>>Slick 50 and it's ilk will definitely harm your motor. The PTFE (Teflon) in
>>>it plugs the tiny oil passages, effectively starving that part of the engine
>>>for oil, greatly -increasing- wear.
>>>
>>>Plus, the makers of Slick 50 were busted by the FTC about 5 years ago for
>>>deceptive advertising.
>>>
>>>The OP should stay away from it. Regular oil changes with regular oil, not
>>>the $expensive Mobil 1, will work just fine. If you don't race your car,
>>>regular oil will work just fine.
>>>
>>
>> Slick 50 also almost did not make it to market because of this. Dupont did
>> not want to sell the PTFE ( Dupont is the creator of PTFE ) to the makers of
>> Slick 50 for that very fact and warned the makers to not produce the product
>> for it's intended purposes. The makers of Slick 50 as far as I know sued and
>> won, Dupont had no choice.
>
> I stand corrected, big time. I wasn't aware of this. I don't use oil
> additives and don't recommend them. I tend to consider additives as snake oil
> (useless) but I've never heard about them actually causing harm. If a customer
> insists, I go along with his wishes with the proper caveats.
> Does anyone have documentation that Slick 50 or any other additive actually
> causes harm in a motor?
> Tom

http://skepdic.com/slick50.html
http://www.blbglaw.com/settlements/q..._consumer.html
You can find more if you just do a search.

Well, I used it in a couple of cars, they all lasted well, and I never saw
any indication of problems of any kind. Maybe I was just lucky.

I had more problems with Pennzoil than with Slick 50.

BUT if the use of Slick 50 prejudices your warranty, I would not use it.
Use good quality motor oil and change oil and filter regularly. Modern
oils, whether synthetic or not, can do a really good job. I still have some
'unfavorite' brands of motor oil, mind you. I don't like oils which lead to
varnishing and sludging, and some very well known brands are suspected of
doing just that.

Rebecca Webb wrote:

> Now I've got a 2004 Ford Taurus, purchased in February at 20K miles
> (Certified pre-owned, 6 years/75K warranty). I'm ready for my first oil
> change. Having a debate with the dealer mechanic. I was going to have
> them put in Slick 50, which my dad insists is a great preventative: an
> engine lubricated with Slick 50 every 50,000 miles from the very beginning
> won't experience engine part break-down, he says.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/1997/12/bluecora.do.htm
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/legal/s50com.html
http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...additives.html

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Rebecca Webb wrote:
>
>> change. Having a debate with the dealer mechanic. I was going to have
>> them put in Slick 50, which my dad insists is a great preventative: an
>> engine lubricated with Slick 50 every 50,000 miles from the very
>> beginning
>> won't experience engine part break-down, he says.
>
> Kee-ryste, here we go *again*. It is difficult to believe anybody
> gullible enough to fall for Slick-50's cheap pseudoscientific bullcrap is
> smart enough to keep breathing, but here we are.

People still fall for that Tornado gas saving device crap. Including some
smart people. Then they get the Tornado, drive more carefully, and notice
their gas milage goes up on the next fill-up. But, they didn't notice they
were on a hill so that the tank wasn't as full and they were on a hill the
other way on the previous fill-up, so the tank is really fill.

> There is no need to add Doctor MoJo's Motor Cream with Flex Fluoride and
> Vitamin-E and Teflon (or Slick-50, or ProLong, or Motor-Up, or any of the
> MANY other scam products on the market) to your engine. It will not
> "treat" anything.

No true. It will treat the makers of that stuff to some of your hard earned
money.

> It will not help anything. It can very easily damage
> your engine by clogging small oil passages. Teflon belongs on the frying
> pans in your kitchen, NOT in your engine.

I read in the New York Times that they are putting it in paint, so you can't
do graffitti.

But, it doesn't belong in an engine.

Jeff

"HLS" > wrote in :

> Well, I used it in a couple of cars, they all lasted well, and I never
> saw any indication of problems of any kind. Maybe I was just lucky.
>
> I had more problems with Pennzoil than with Slick 50.
>
> BUT if the use of Slick 50 prejudices your warranty, I would not use
> it. Use good quality motor oil and change oil and filter regularly.
> Modern oils, whether synthetic or not, can do a really good job. I
> still have some 'unfavorite' brands of motor oil, mind you. I don't
> like oils which lead to varnishing and sludging, and some very well
> known brands are suspected of doing just that.
>
>
>


Which ones? Got names?

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TeGGeR®

On 17 Mar 2005 15:24:31 GMT, "TeGGer®" > wrote:

>"HLS" > wrote in :
>
>> Well, I used it in a couple of cars, they all lasted well, and I never
>> saw any indication of problems of any kind. Maybe I was just lucky.
>>
>> I had more problems with Pennzoil than with Slick 50.
>>
>> BUT if the use of Slick 50 prejudices your warranty, I would not use
>> it. Use good quality motor oil and change oil and filter regularly.
>> Modern oils, whether synthetic or not, can do a really good job. I
>> still have some 'unfavorite' brands of motor oil, mind you. I don't
>> like oils which lead to varnishing and sludging, and some very well
>> known brands are suspected of doing just that.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Which ones? Got names?

Think he gave you one ;-)

In article >, "Scott" <homealone.com> wrote:

> Fourth, if your father tells you it works and it seems to have worked for
> you
> in the past, why are you asking?

Because car technology changes.

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Question #2.

Will Fleet Farm accept a return on an unopened bottle of Slick 50 for
store credit if I no longer have the receipt?

Maybe there's another use for it. Not a lot of graffiti around here...

Thanks, all.

Except you, Daniel. No call for that attitude. I wouldn't abuse you if
you made inquiry in one of MY areas of expertise because you wanted to
make wise choices.

RW

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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:49:23 -0600, Rebecca Webb > wrote:
>First, a thank you to all who contributed to making my Ford Contour last
>to 156K before I traded it in.

>Now I've got a 2004 Ford Taurus, purchased in February at 20K miles
>(Certified pre-owned, 6 years/75K warranty). I'm ready for my first oil
>change. Having a debate with the dealer mechanic. I was going to have
>them put in Slick 50, which my dad insists is a great preventative: an
>engine lubricated with Slick 50 every 50,000 miles from the very beginning
>won't experience engine part break-down, he says.

It's not a lubricant. It's just crud that floats in the oil doing nothing.