State of Sim-Racing.....Rant

(Phil Newnham) wrote:

> - if you join a game you don't have the map for, it
> just downloads it from the server. End of problem.

The last thing you need on any server is someone who hasn't driven the
track before. New players are always useful for cannon fodder in an FPS,
but not in a race.

Andrew McP

Having choice is not a bad thing. A Mongolian Cluster-F^ck is a bad thing.

-Larry

"David G Fisher" > wrote in message
. ..

> I'm bewildered by this line of thinking that having more choice is a bad
> thing.

Give the man a doggy biscuit. He gets it

-Larry

"rex roland" > wrote in message
...

> I think its simply because rFactor (and GTR) does such a horrible job at
> actually managing the different tracks and versions. Nascar 2003 at least
> would let you know when you didnt have a track and make you pick the mod
> at the start so it would only list the servers for that mod.
>
> rFactor just says "heres a bunch of servers, good luck" and GTR is a real
> beauty because it lists the WRONG track when you dont have the right one
> installed. You have to GUESS what track you need!
>
> It is especially annoying for rFactor because it shows how poorly their
> game was executed. It's advertised as a moddable online game with zero
> thought put into actually being able to play mods online.
>
> God forbid you say this on any other forum, because everyone starts
> jumping up and down saying the devs are gods and there is just no way to
> solve the problem. That is BS, these problems are easily solved with
> something as simple as a basic filter and a visible version number or
> checksum.

Il 15 Jun 2006 03:36:45 -0700, rb21 ha scritto:

> That is the exact reason I quit playing rFactor. I like the game but
> it's too difficult to keep up with all the different stuff thats out
> there for rFactor. The offline part of rFactor isn't too good and like
> Ed said it's very difficult to find an open race to join. I prefer LFS
> because the developers are keeping a tight lock on things so everyone
> is using the same tracks and cars so it's very easy to find an online
> race.
> Rick

I completely agree. LFS is showing that the method of tight control on cars
and tracks seems a very good solution to the problem of excessive online
dispersion, the main present drawback of rF. I live in Italy, and here in
Europe LFS is very popular (and as Rick said it is very easy to join
crowded online races). I still don't fully understand why it seems much
less considered in America. Do you have any idea?

Regards

Socius

Andrew MacPherson wrote:
> (Phil Newnham) wrote:
>
>> - if you join a game you don't have the map for, it
>> just downloads it from the server. End of problem.
>
> The last thing you need on any server is someone who hasn't driven the
> track before. New players are always useful for cannon fodder in an FPS,
> but not in a race.

That may be true but if they have driven the track before but have the
wrong version, then why not? I think you will always have clueless
newbie syndrome whether you make it difficult or easy.

--
Phil

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Socius wrote:
> Il 15 Jun 2006 03:36:45 -0700, rb21 ha scritto:
>
> > That is the exact reason I quit playing rFactor. I like the game but
> > it's too difficult to keep up with all the different stuff thats out
> > there for rFactor. The offline part of rFactor isn't too good and like
> > Ed said it's very difficult to find an open race to join. I prefer LFS
> > because the developers are keeping a tight lock on things so everyone
> > is using the same tracks and cars so it's very easy to find an online
> > race.
> > Rick
>
> I completely agree. LFS is showing that the method of tight control on cars
> and tracks seems a very good solution to the problem of excessive online
> dispersion, the main present drawback of rF. I live in Italy, and here in
> Europe LFS is very popular (and as Rick said it is very easy to join
> crowded online races). I still don't fully understand why it seems much
> less considered in America. Do you have any idea?
>
> Regards
>
> Socius

Not sure why we Americans haven't warmed up to LFS. If people can't go
down to their local store like Walmart or Best Buy etc. and pick up a
copy they probably don't even realize it's out there.
Rick

If ISI had so much trouble getting MP squared away d/ling just cars what
makes you think the bandwidth would be available for entire tracks? I'd
prefer you being on your own than ruining the experience for all.

Mitch
---
"Don't pee on my leg then tell me it's raining"


"Phil Newnham" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew MacPherson wrote:
>> (Phil Newnham) wrote:
>>
>>> - if you join a game you don't have the map for, it
>>> just downloads it from the server. End of problem.
>>
>> The last thing you need on any server is someone who hasn't driven the
>> track before. New players are always useful for cannon fodder in an FPS,
>> but not in a race.
>
> That may be true but if they have driven the track before but have the
> wrong version, then why not? I think you will always have clueless newbie
> syndrome whether you make it difficult or easy.
>
> --
> Phil
>
> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

"Mitch_ A" > wrote in
y.net:

> If ISI had so much trouble getting MP squared away d/ling just cars
> what makes you think the bandwidth would be available for entire
> tracks? I'd prefer you being on your own than ruining the experience
> for all.
>
> Mitch
> ---
> "Don't pee on my leg then tell me it's raining"

What you guys need is a Racing Club. Not a league per se....but a
club. Like the real world racing clubs that are forming at tracks
like Bedford in England and Miller Motorsports and VIR and Barber in
the USA. Get a bunch of like minded guys together on a good server
and set it up so that it has a core of maybe 10 tracks with some
others that the admins could rotate in. Then everyone in the club
gets the same emails with links to the same tracks. Not everyone has
to show up for official races...but casual practices and pickup races
could be arranged. Then EVERYONE in the group
always has the same tracks and cars.

dave henrie

In article 6>,
says...
>
> What you guys need is a Racing Club. Not a league per se....but a
> club. Like the real world racing clubs that are forming at tracks
> like Bedford in England and Miller Motorsports and VIR and Barber in
> the USA. Get a bunch of like minded guys together on a good server
> and set it up so that it has a core of maybe 10 tracks with some
> others that the admins could rotate in. Then everyone in the club
> gets the same emails with links to the same tracks. Not everyone has
> to show up for official races...but casual practices and pickup races
> could be arranged. Then EVERYONE in the group
> always has the same tracks and cars.
>

You could call it rASCAR.

Heh.


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Michael Sisson wrote:
> > the USA. Get a bunch of like minded guys together on a good server
>
> You could call it rASCAR.

He said "like-minded"!