New Logi Wheel G25

Tony Rickard > wrote in
. uk:

> The falling out of gear is certainly disconcerting, although my one and
> only drive in an FF2000 the gearlever had no spring and was as floppy as
> a floppy thing. Took some getting used to. I was told by the
> instructor this was normal and to treat it differently from a road car.
> Perhaps someone with a bit more racecar experience can add?
>

I have zero race car experience but here is my take. The paddles would
have little or no 'spring' because the resistance to your input would be
delayed. Even a light spring requires a tiny bit more time to overcome the
mechanical resistance.
When race engines shift in micro-seconds, does it make sense to delay
that ability with a comfy feeling spring?

Now, REAL racers can chip in...

dave henrie

Dave Henrie wrote:
> Tony Rickard > wrote in
> . uk:
>
>> The falling out of gear is certainly disconcerting, although my one and
>> only drive in an FF2000 the gearlever had no spring and was as floppy as
>> a floppy thing. Took some getting used to. I was told by the
>> instructor this was normal and to treat it differently from a road car.
>> Perhaps someone with a bit more racecar experience can add?
>>
>
> I have zero race car experience but here is my take. The paddles would
> have little or no 'spring' because the resistance to your input would be
> delayed. Even a light spring requires a tiny bit more time to overcome the
> mechanical resistance.
> When race engines shift in micro-seconds, does it make sense to delay
> that ability with a comfy feeling spring?
>
> Now, REAL racers can chip in...

The OP was referring to a stick shift rather than the paddles. Computer
gear to simulate computer gear onboard cars is easy, simulating the
mechanical components is of greater interest to me.

Cheers
Tony

Looks great except more buttons are needed *on* the wheel. I am sure I will
buy it the moment it is released.

The icing on the cake will be if software developers recognize that in some
titles you have more than one type of shifting within the game (GTR for
example, with most cars using an H-pattern stick, a few using sequential
stick, but one using paddles behind the wheel). It's great to be able to
switch from one game to the next, but you need to switch also within a game.

Marc

"Mitch" > wrote in message
. com...
> Looks to fill the niche that was just talked about here on RAS. Looks
> interesting and Im looking forward to some reviews.
>
> ----------
> For racing at home, Logitech at E3 introduces the G25 Racing Wheel. The
> system includes a six-speed shifter and clutch pedal, two force-feedback
> motors, an 11-inch wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation. Logitech
> says the second motor makes directional forces more realistic letting
> indoor drivers feel everything from the banks in the road to impact with
> walls or other cars. The system is expected to be available in October for
> $299.
> Credit: Business Wire
>
> http://news.com.com/2300-1043_3-6070...0080&subj=news
> -----------
>
> Mitch
>

"Jan Verschueren" > wrote in message
...
> "Andi Cole" wrote...
>> <snip>
>> Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a
>> 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a
>> replacement foc.
>
> If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units
> almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty
> period has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All
> very good for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad
> somewhere.
>
> Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their
> wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different
> to their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out
> races through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that.
>
> Jan.
> =---
I purchased mine at Best Buy here in the US and forked over the $12 or
so for the 3yr warranty. I am now on my 6th or so new Black Momo. I have had
no problems with anything on the units except for the well known accelerator
bracket problem and not being able to keep it calibrated. On my last
exchange, I purchased another 3yr warranty when I recieved the new unit. I
really like the wheel, it is just the poor quality of the pedals that I
don't like. One of these days I will break down and get a good set of USB
pedals.

Ed
>
>

Hi racers
been using all kinds of wheels over the years for my online racing with
Nascar 2003 and Rfactor. Been racing since the Hawaii days and I have
had about ten wheels over the years. Everything from CH Yoke to a TSW
Stock.

TSW's are nice and solid and yada yada. But I really do like the FF of
Logitech and MS wheels. That being said I had a red momo that I gave to
another online racer when I got my TSW. The TSW was great but I sold it
to help cover costs of my league. I bought a black Momo and its now dead
due to the wonderfull pedals that they have. The Red Momo still lives
and Im hoping to get it back. I also have a Logitecch Winman FF Red that
is going on 4 years of service and still works. But I have a trick to
replace the pots.

What I do is buy a cheap yellow wingman off of ebay and steal the pots
out of it for the red FF . Guess what the black momo uses the same pots
LOl. You can get the yellow wingman for as low as 5 or 6 bucks USD .
That is the way I have kept my old Logitechs running after all these
years. I will say this as for TSW vs Logi. If logitech wheels lived
longer and they had replacement parts I would buy a Logitech over a TSW
any day. Facts are TSW needs more buttons and not to charge a arm and a
leg for them. Also whats with the $400.00 shifter? So as for the G25 and
its 900 DEG Rotation and FF and shifter and all the rest of its goodies.
Its priced about the same as a TSW Stock and you get a ton more. So
Logitech if you make this think live and sell us pots you just might win
the entire market.


Byron Forbes wrote:
> This is pretty surprising really. Even here in Aus we have a place where
> all the warranty returns are returned to and they will mail spares out to
> you free of charge even after the warranty period. Everyone checked for this
> in their local area? Sydney, Australia here. I used them as recently as
> about 6 months or so ago too so this is still in operation I'd guess.
>
>
> "Jan Verschueren" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Andi Cole" wrote...
>>> <snip>
>>> Having said that though the Black Momo Racing I bought had a
>>> 110v power supply when it arrived and Logitech sent me a
>>> replacement foc.
>> If it breaks under warranty and they have stock, they will replace units
>> almost without question, true. Also, if it breaks after the warranty
>> period has ended, they'll usually offer a discount on a new wheel. All
>> very good for casual customers who probably have another mouse or gamepad
>> somewhere.
>>
>> Trouble is they don't sell spares to replace worn/broken parts on their
>> wheel/pedal combos and, in this respect, most simracers are no different
>> to their real life counterparts: we *really* object to having to sit out
>> races through lack of spares, so Logitech takes some flack for that.
>>
>> Jan.
>> =---
>>
>>
>
>

On Sat, 13 May 2006 06:25:16 GMT, "Alan Le"
> wrote:

>> "Although the gated, 6-speed shifter on the G25 would be a perfect fit for
>> the cars modeled in GT Legends, it seems that GTL's code is written such
>> that it can't see or utilize that feature."
>
>I'd bet GTL wasn't configured properly. The "gates" on an Act Labs shifter
>are no different than the buttons on a controller. The switches are just
>activated through a different mechanical means. GTL simply supports mapping
>of buttons to gears.
>
>Alan
>

The issue with the shifter and GTL is that GTL only recognises the
first 16 buttons on a game controller, I've tested and this is the
case.

There are a lot of buttons on this new wheel, 4 on the wheel and 12 on
the shifter plus the shifter itself, and the shifter buttons must be
numbered higher than 16.

There is a work around that should work. Instead of joystick buttons,
you can assign keystrokes to the individual gears in GTL. Then you
can assign these keystrokes to the shifter positions with the Logitech
profiler. I've tested this theory with my DFP and it works.

Peter