The Ultimate SUV - an Amphib 4X4 MOD JEEP

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> said:

>
>"North" > wrote in message
.. .
>: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>: > said:
>:
>: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
>: >(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>:
>: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
>: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
>: overseas.
>:
>:
>
>That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line of
>crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S. with
>pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
>costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
>the U.S. for $26,000.
>
>When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
>dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>
Dude, you are missing my point. For example; a telemarketeer is simply
not worth 15 bucks an hour to harrass people on the phone. If they
work for what the job is worth (say maybe 6 bucks an hour), you would
see less telemarketing jobs moving overseas. Why pay an IT 150,000
bucks a year when the job is worth maybe 25,000 bucks a year, see
folks expect to be payed far more than they are worth. I call it
greed. A company cannot payout more then it brings in... simple
economics. People need to stop living life styles they simply cannot
afford, I blame that on credit cards, but thats a whole nother can of
worms.

North.

"Ben Dover" > wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
> ...
> : On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> : > wrote:
> :
> : >
> : >"North" > wrote in message
> : .. .
> : >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
> : >: > said:
> : >:
> : >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
> : >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
> : >
> : >:
> : >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
> : >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
> : >: overseas.
> : >:
> : >:
> : >
> : >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
> of
> : >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
> with
> : >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
> : >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck
in
> : >the U.S. for $26,000.
> : >
> : >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
> : >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
> :
> : If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
> : will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
> : possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
> : about the people who don't work for wages?
> :
> : My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
> : running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
> :
> : --
> : Robert Sturgeon,
> : proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
> : and the evil gun culture.
>
> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
> very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
> vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of course we can
> continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
> history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
> membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple. BTW, true
to
> your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
> corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
> sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a lifestyle
level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a nominal %age each
year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate America and the US people
expect too much..

"Ben Dover" > wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
> ...
> : On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> : > wrote:
> :
> : >
> : >"North" > wrote in message
> : .. .
> : >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
> : >: > said:
> : >:
> : >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
> : >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
> : >
> : >:
> : >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
> : >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
> : >: overseas.
> : >:
> : >:
> : >
> : >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
> of
> : >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
> with
> : >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
> : >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck
in
> : >the U.S. for $26,000.
> : >
> : >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
> : >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
> :
> : If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
> : will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
> : possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
> : about the people who don't work for wages?
> :
> : My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
> : running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
> :
> : --
> : Robert Sturgeon,
> : proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
> : and the evil gun culture.
>
> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
> very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
> vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of course we can
> continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
> history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
> membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple. BTW, true
to
> your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
> corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
> sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a lifestyle
level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a nominal %age each
year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate America and the US people
expect too much..

Mike Hall wrote:
> "Ben Dover" > wrote in message
> news:vsqNb.5605$A74.3888@fed1read02...
>>
>> "Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "North" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>>>>> > said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
>>>>>> (Halcitron) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
>>>>> job that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs
>>>>> are going overseas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
>>>> line of crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made
>>>> in the U.S. with pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to
>>>> Mexico where the labor costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford
>>>> sells the outsourced truck in the U.S. for $26,000.
>>>>
>>>> When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
>>>> wet dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>>>
>>> If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
>>> will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
>>> possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
>>> about the people who don't work for wages?
>>>
>>> My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
>>> running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robert Sturgeon,
>>> proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
>>> and the evil gun culture.
>>
>> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid,
>> it's a very real possibility that we might end up not being able to
>> buy $26,000 vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of
>> course we can continue racking up personal debt at a rate never
>> before seen in the history of this country. Your simplistic denial
>> of reality affirms your membership in the vast reich wing club of
>> unthinking sheeple. BTW, true to your ilk's fashion, I notice you
>> neatly sidestepped my point about corporate amerika pocketing the
>> savings in exporting jobs to third world sweatshops. Jesus, you make
>> Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
>
> Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a
> lifestyle level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a
> nominal %age each year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate
> America and the US people expect too much..

They only expect what they have been brought up to expect. Whether the world
economy will continue to support those expectations is another matter
entirely.

--
Julian
---------
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Mike Hall wrote:
> "Ben Dover" > wrote in message
> news:vsqNb.5605$A74.3888@fed1read02...
>>
>> "Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "North" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>>>>> > said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
>>>>>> (Halcitron) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
>>>>> job that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs
>>>>> are going overseas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
>>>> line of crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made
>>>> in the U.S. with pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to
>>>> Mexico where the labor costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford
>>>> sells the outsourced truck in the U.S. for $26,000.
>>>>
>>>> When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
>>>> wet dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>>>
>>> If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
>>> will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
>>> possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
>>> about the people who don't work for wages?
>>>
>>> My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
>>> running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robert Sturgeon,
>>> proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
>>> and the evil gun culture.
>>
>> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid,
>> it's a very real possibility that we might end up not being able to
>> buy $26,000 vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of
>> course we can continue racking up personal debt at a rate never
>> before seen in the history of this country. Your simplistic denial
>> of reality affirms your membership in the vast reich wing club of
>> unthinking sheeple. BTW, true to your ilk's fashion, I notice you
>> neatly sidestepped my point about corporate amerika pocketing the
>> savings in exporting jobs to third world sweatshops. Jesus, you make
>> Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
>
> Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a
> lifestyle level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a
> nominal %age each year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate
> America and the US people expect too much..

They only expect what they have been brought up to expect. Whether the world
economy will continue to support those expectations is another matter
entirely.

--
Julian
---------
= Pretentious Sig required =

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:30:42 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> wrote:

>
>"Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
.. .
>: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
>: > wrote:
>: >
>: >"North" > wrote in message
>: .. .
>: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>: >: > said:
>: >:
>: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
>: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
>: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
>: >: overseas.
>: >
>: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
>of
>: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
>with
>: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
>: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
>: >the U.S. for $26,000.
>: >
>: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
>: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>:
>: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
>: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
>: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
>: about the people who don't work for wages?
>:
>: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
>: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
>
>Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
>very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
>vehicles at the rate household income is dropping.

Show us your figures and sources for this falling household
income. Do you have any? You know, like from some credible
source?

But if household income does fall, then we won't be buying
those vehicles, will we? No money; no $26,000 vehicles.
Problem solved.

> Of course we can
>continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
>history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
>membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple.

Which reality have I denied? Yours? You make claims and
deliver personal attacks, both without any basis other than
your own prejudices.

> BTW, true to
>your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
>corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
>sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

Of course American corporations pocket their savings. What
do you expect? Don't you pocket your savings when you find
a cheaper way to get something done? Or do you donate your
savings to the people who used to cost you more?

--
Robert Sturgeon,
proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
and the evil gun culture.

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:30:42 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> wrote:

>
>"Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
.. .
>: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
>: > wrote:
>: >
>: >"North" > wrote in message
>: .. .
>: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>: >: > said:
>: >:
>: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
>: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
>: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
>: >: overseas.
>: >
>: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
>of
>: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
>with
>: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
>: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
>: >the U.S. for $26,000.
>: >
>: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
>: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>:
>: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
>: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
>: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
>: about the people who don't work for wages?
>:
>: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
>: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
>
>Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
>very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
>vehicles at the rate household income is dropping.

Show us your figures and sources for this falling household
income. Do you have any? You know, like from some credible
source?

But if household income does fall, then we won't be buying
those vehicles, will we? No money; no $26,000 vehicles.
Problem solved.

> Of course we can
>continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
>history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
>membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple.

Which reality have I denied? Yours? You make claims and
deliver personal attacks, both without any basis other than
your own prejudices.

> BTW, true to
>your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
>corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
>sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

Of course American corporations pocket their savings. What
do you expect? Don't you pocket your savings when you find
a cheaper way to get something done? Or do you donate your
savings to the people who used to cost you more?

--
Robert Sturgeon,
proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
and the evil gun culture.

"Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
...
: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:30:42 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: > wrote:
:
: >
: >"Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
: .. .
: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: >: > wrote:
: >: >
: >: >"North" > wrote in message
: >: .. .
: >: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
: >: >: > said:
: >: >:
: >: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
: >: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
: >
: >: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
job
: >: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are
going
: >: >: overseas.
: >: >
: >: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
line
: >of
: >: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
: >with
: >: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the
labor
: >: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck
in
: >: >the U.S. for $26,000.
: >: >
: >: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
wet
: >: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
: >:
: >: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
: >: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
: >: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
: >: about the people who don't work for wages?
: >:
: >: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
: >: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
: >
: >Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
: >very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
: >vehicles at the rate household income is dropping.
:
: Show us your figures and sources for this falling household
: income. Do you have any? You know, like from some credible
: source?
:
: But if household income does fall, then we won't be buying
: those vehicles, will we? No money; no $26,000 vehicles.
: Problem solved.
:
: > Of course we can
: >continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
: >history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
: >membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple.
:
: Which reality have I denied? Yours? You make claims and
: deliver personal attacks, both without any basis other than
: your own prejudices.
:
: > BTW, true to
: >your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
: >corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
: >sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
:
: Of course American corporations pocket their savings. What
: do you expect? Don't you pocket your savings when you find
: a cheaper way to get something done? Or do you donate your
: savings to the people who used to cost you more?
:
: --
: Robert Sturgeon,
: proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
: and the evil gun culture.

No, you are only a member of the vast and sweeping group of amerikan
sheeple known as "morons." I am sure everyone who reads your semi-literate
scratchings will appreciate your embracing of the decline of this nation
into a third world country. By the way, the good news is that the NRA is
nearly bankrupt. What happened? Did they spend all their money on a face
lift for Charlatan Heston or bail money to get a terrorist like Grover
Norquist out of jail?

"Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
...
: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:30:42 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: > wrote:
:
: >
: >"Robert Sturgeon" > wrote in message
: .. .
: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: >: > wrote:
: >: >
: >: >"North" > wrote in message
: >: .. .
: >: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
: >: >: > said:
: >: >:
: >: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, atespam
: >: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
: >
: >: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
job
: >: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are
going
: >: >: overseas.
: >: >
: >: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
line
: >of
: >: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
: >with
: >: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the
labor
: >: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck
in
: >: >the U.S. for $26,000.
: >: >
: >: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
wet
: >: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
: >:
: >: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
: >: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
: >: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
: >: about the people who don't work for wages?
: >:
: >: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
: >: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
: >
: >Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
: >very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
: >vehicles at the rate household income is dropping.
:
: Show us your figures and sources for this falling household
: income. Do you have any? You know, like from some credible
: source?
:
: But if household income does fall, then we won't be buying
: those vehicles, will we? No money; no $26,000 vehicles.
: Problem solved.
:
: > Of course we can
: >continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
: >history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
: >membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple.
:
: Which reality have I denied? Yours? You make claims and
: deliver personal attacks, both without any basis other than
: your own prejudices.
:
: > BTW, true to
: >your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
: >corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
: >sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
:
: Of course American corporations pocket their savings. What
: do you expect? Don't you pocket your savings when you find
: a cheaper way to get something done? Or do you donate your
: savings to the people who used to cost you more?
:
: --
: Robert Sturgeon,
: proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
: and the evil gun culture.

No, you are only a member of the vast and sweeping group of amerikan
sheeple known as "morons." I am sure everyone who reads your semi-literate
scratchings will appreciate your embracing of the decline of this nation
into a third world country. By the way, the good news is that the NRA is
nearly bankrupt. What happened? Did they spend all their money on a face
lift for Charlatan Heston or bail money to get a terrorist like Grover
Norquist out of jail?

The site is gone.. the web address is available to purchase and it
appears it has died a fast death :-(