Who does the best wheel alignments?

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:02:21 -0400, micky >
wrote:

>1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
>wheels aligned. A toyota.
>
>Who do you think does the best job? A Toyotal dealer, Firestone,
>PepBoys, or a gas station with busy service bays who was recommended?
>
>Someone I know and trust also gave a particular guy at Pep Boys a very
>high recommendation yesterday.
>
>The dealer is having a sale this month, so it's the same price as
>Firestone
>
>I was going to take it to the dealer, because I figured that values that
>are always fine on cars that only hit chuck holes etc. might be messed
>up on mine, given that I knocked a chunk out of my aluminum wheel. I've
>considered the possibility I rotated the entire hub assembly on the
>strut, though I can find no evidence that I did that**
>
>But a guy I was reading on the web felt that the mechanics at dealers
>are all getting paid acc. to flat rate, and that they rush the job to
>make more money.
>
>
>2) Follow=up on my car. Last Tuesday, I think it was, I finished the
>front and just as I was about to take it around the block for a test
>drive, a young neighbor says, "You know the rear tire is pointing the
>wrong direction!" Actually I hadn't noticed. When I took the tire
>off, closer to the center line than to the hub, I saw that on the right
>rear tire, the forward locating arm was bent, about 25 degrees!
>
>The part is just a metal rod maybe 7/8" thick with a hole on each end.
>
>How much does Toyota want for the part?
>
>
>$159, can you believe it? Is that because prices in general have gone
>up, or is it because it's a foreign car? And Toyota wanted $210 to put
>it on. Firestone said it was a 1.1 hour job and wanted $121 to put it
>on. And then 80 for wheel alignment, but I'm not complaining about
>that.
>
>There are at least two after-market makers of the part and Advance Auto
>sells one for 90 dollars. (The only way you can buy it is Ship to Home)
>
>Before I found that, I tried www.car-part.com and it's a great page.
>Check it out. It has a long list of names of parts to search for, the
>longest list I've seen, and it has a built in interchange book, so it
>offers up others models and years that used the same part. (In my case,
>the Avalon and Lexus used the same part, for more than one year.) Many
>of them are graded A, B, or C, and it has the name, web address, real
>address, email address, and phone number, and distance from the zip code
>I entered, of the dealer, and added description of the part, like what
>color it is for a body part.
>
>It just tells you what yards have your part, and then you call the yard,
>verify that it's the right part, and do all your dealings with the yard,
>not with car-part.com. I guess recyclers ;-) and junkyards pay to list
>the part, whether it sells or not, since I don't think car-part has any
>way to know if the part ever sells. Right?
>
>I found 4 used part outlets not too far from me that I didnt' know
>about. Well one I knew about and had tried to find, but there was no
>sign on the road and I gave up. Now I have the address and they're on a
>side road. $50. He says he has 24 of them. If it rains, I'll pick
>it up tomorrow. If it doesn't, I still have work to do at home. So
>instead of $369, it will be $50 and 1 or 2 hours of my time to install,.
>I know I'm slow, but it's only got two bolts. I don't know how it can
>take more than an hour once the car is jacked up and on stands. Of
>course it always does take longer than I expect.
>
>After this part is installed, I can return the car I've borrowed
>(Fortunately for me, my friend's wife just never drives anymore, so she
>has it seems no interest in getting the car back. She says, "whatever my
>husband says" )
>
> All it will need is alignment.
You want an alignment specialist. Some dealers have them, most do
not Some tire shops like firestone or PepBoys have someone who knows
alignments inside out and backwards - most do not. In my long
experience in the automotive industry, a small busy shop who does LOTS
of alignments is generally your best bet. The guy does alignments all
day - he does them for local body shops and dealers as well as his own
clients, so he gets really good at it, and the prices are usually VERY
competetive.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:26:14 -0700, RobertMacy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:14:00 -0700, micky > wrote:
>
>>> ...snip...
>> Thanks. I don't think I would have thought of that any more than you
>> did. So far, I've only driven it about a quarter mile at 20 MPH max.
>>
>
>That was just about the speed where the front end would go into a
>'swirling' pattern. Caused not by misalignment but the instability of a
>dead shock.
>
>> If I get the part tomorrow, weather is supposed to be good Th. and Fr,
>> and I hope to start test driving Thursday afternoon.
>>
>> Yeah, a guy at a gas station could be just as good. I used to have a
>> gas station that fixed my car and was in walking distance. But he
>> made 3 mistakes over 2 years and I stopped going to him, and since then,
>> Shell has torn it down and rebuillt it with no service bays, only a 7-11
>> type store.
>
>I used to have one of those 'local' mechanics. Awesome skill. He could
>tighten the license plate bolt and the car would run better. Sure miss
>being able to take it to someone with those abilities. He used to say the
>problem could be either mechanical, or electrical. Probably not anything
>else.
In the case of the Toyota, it has strut suspension and other than
bending the strut, having the shock fail from the impact described is
a REAL long shot. Like 1 in 10,000 long shot.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:21:12 -0400, "Steve W." >
wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> 1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
>> wheels aligned. A toyota.
>>
>> Who do you think does the best job? A Toyotal dealer, Firestone,
>> PepBoys, or a gas station with busy service bays who was recommended?
>>
>> Someone I know and trust also gave a particular guy at Pep Boys a very
>> high recommendation yesterday.
>>
>> The dealer is having a sale this month, so it's the same price as
>> Firestone
>>
>> I was going to take it to the dealer, because I figured that values that
>> are always fine on cars that only hit chuck holes etc. might be messed
>> up on mine, given that I knocked a chunk out of my aluminum wheel. I've
>> considered the possibility I rotated the entire hub assembly on the
>> strut, though I can find no evidence that I did that**
>>
>> But a guy I was reading on the web felt that the mechanics at dealers
>> are all getting paid acc. to flat rate, and that they rush the job to
>> make more money.
>
>In this case I would suggest a dealer. For a couple reasons. One is that
>they are familiar with your make of vehicle far more than a chain store,
>and as such the tech may notice other damage or issues that you didn't
>see. Two is that some vehicles need additional parts if they do need
>things moved for an alignment, the dealer will likely have those on hand.
>Pretty much ALL techs get paid flat rate these days. So, yes they try to
>get things done. BUT if they know how to run the machine and pay
>attention it will turn out OK.
>
>Make sure you specify a 4 wheel alignment, that damaged radius rod may
>have tweaked other parts in the rear as well. I would check to make sure
>that rim isn't bent and that nothing else was damaged.
You want to pray REAL HARD you didn't tweak the uni-body - that's
like bending the frame but the whole car body gets bent out of shape
and it needs to be pulled back to alignment on a unicoupe rack.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:02:21 -0400, micky >
wrote:

> All it will need is alignment.

So use a shop that has the tools. They can figure it out.

Kentucky Fried Chicken is not the place to go in Baltimore!

In article >,
> wrote:
>Scott Dorsey: "An alignment shop."
>
>Yeah, and I'm sure you can find toasters in a toaster shop - or maybe at SEARS - between the microwaves and the coffee makers.
>
>Point is, Single-line businesses in fact have it tough in today's one-stop do-it-all climate.

Absolutely! All the better reason to find such a place and support it.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:02:21 -0400, micky >
> wrote:
>
>> 1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
>> wheels aligned. A toyota.
>>
>> Who do you think does the best job? A Toyotal dealer, Firestone,
>> PepBoys, or a gas station with busy service bays who was recommended?
>>
>> Someone I know and trust also gave a particular guy at Pep Boys a very
>> high recommendation yesterday.
>>
>> The dealer is having a sale this month, so it's the same price as
>> Firestone
>>
>> I was going to take it to the dealer, because I figured that values that
>> are always fine on cars that only hit chuck holes etc. might be messed
>> up on mine, given that I knocked a chunk out of my aluminum wheel. I've
>> considered the possibility I rotated the entire hub assembly on the
>> strut, though I can find no evidence that I did that**
>>
>> But a guy I was reading on the web felt that the mechanics at dealers
>> are all getting paid acc. to flat rate, and that they rush the job to
>> make more money.
>>
>>
>> 2) Follow=up on my car. Last Tuesday, I think it was, I finished the
>> front and just as I was about to take it around the block for a test
>> drive, a young neighbor says, "You know the rear tire is pointing the
>> wrong direction!" Actually I hadn't noticed. When I took the tire
>> off, closer to the center line than to the hub, I saw that on the right
>> rear tire, the forward locating arm was bent, about 25 degrees!
>>
>> The part is just a metal rod maybe 7/8" thick with a hole on each end.
>>
>> How much does Toyota want for the part?
>>
>>
>> $159, can you believe it? Is that because prices in general have gone
>> up, or is it because it's a foreign car? And Toyota wanted $210 to put
>> it on. Firestone said it was a 1.1 hour job and wanted $121 to put it
>> on. And then 80 for wheel alignment, but I'm not complaining about
>> that.
>>
>> There are at least two after-market makers of the part and Advance Auto
>> sells one for 90 dollars. (The only way you can buy it is Ship to Home)
>>
>> Before I found that, I tried www.car-part.com and it's a great page.
>> Check it out. It has a long list of names of parts to search for, the
>> longest list I've seen, and it has a built in interchange book, so it
>> offers up others models and years that used the same part. (In my case,
>> the Avalon and Lexus used the same part, for more than one year.) Many
>> of them are graded A, B, or C, and it has the name, web address, real
>> address, email address, and phone number, and distance from the zip code
>> I entered, of the dealer, and added description of the part, like what
>> color it is for a body part.
>>
>> It just tells you what yards have your part, and then you call the yard,
>> verify that it's the right part, and do all your dealings with the yard,
>> not with car-part.com. I guess recyclers ;-) and junkyards pay to list
>> the part, whether it sells or not, since I don't think car-part has any
>> way to know if the part ever sells. Right?
>>
>> I found 4 used part outlets not too far from me that I didnt' know
>> about. Well one I knew about and had tried to find, but there was no
>> sign on the road and I gave up. Now I have the address and they're on a
>> side road. $50. He says he has 24 of them. If it rains, I'll pick
>> it up tomorrow. If it doesn't, I still have work to do at home. So
>> instead of $369, it will be $50 and 1 or 2 hours of my time to install,.
>> I know I'm slow, but it's only got two bolts. I don't know how it can
>> take more than an hour once the car is jacked up and on stands. Of
>> course it always does take longer than I expect.
>>
>> After this part is installed, I can return the car I've borrowed
>> (Fortunately for me, my friend's wife just never drives anymore, so she
>> has it seems no interest in getting the car back. She says, "whatever my
>> husband says" )
>>
>> All it will need is alignment.
> You want an alignment specialist. Some dealers have them, most do
> not Some tire shops like firestone or PepBoys have someone who knows
> alignments inside out and backwards - most do not. In my long
> experience in the automotive industry, a small busy shop who does LOTS
> of alignments is generally your best bet. The guy does alignments all
> day - he does them for local body shops and dealers as well as his own
> clients, so he gets really good at it, and the prices are usually VERY
> competetive.
>
Hi,
Out here in Calgary, there is such a place called Global steering clinic.

micky > wrote in
:

> 1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
> wheels aligned. A toyota.
>
> Who do you think does the best job? A Toyotal dealer, Firestone,
> PepBoys, or a gas station with busy service bays who was recommended?

PepBoys left my lugs on a tire loose once.


>
> Someone I know and trust also gave a particular guy at Pep Boys a very
> high recommendation yesterday.
>
> The dealer is having a sale this month, so it's the same price as
> Firestone
>
> I was going to take it to the dealer, because I figured that values
> that are always fine on cars that only hit chuck holes etc. might be
> messed up on mine, given that I knocked a chunk out of my aluminum
> wheel. I've considered the possibility I rotated the entire hub
> assembly on the strut, though I can find no evidence that I did that**
>
> But a guy I was reading on the web felt that the mechanics at dealers
> are all getting paid acc. to flat rate, and that they rush the job to
> make more money.
>
>
> 2) Follow=up on my car. Last Tuesday, I think it was, I finished the
> front and just as I was about to take it around the block for a test
> drive, a young neighbor says, "You know the rear tire is pointing the
> wrong direction!" Actually I hadn't noticed. When I took the tire
> off, closer to the center line than to the hub, I saw that on the
> right rear tire, the forward locating arm was bent, about 25 degrees!
>
> The part is just a metal rod maybe 7/8" thick with a hole on each end.
>
>
> How much does Toyota want for the part?
>
>
> $159, can you believe it? Is that because prices in general have gone
> up, or is it because it's a foreign car? And Toyota wanted $210 to
> put it on. Firestone said it was a 1.1 hour job and wanted $121 to
> put it on. And then 80 for wheel alignment, but I'm not
> complaining about that.
>
> There are at least two after-market makers of the part and Advance
> Auto sells one for 90 dollars. (The only way you can buy it is Ship
> to Home)
>
> Before I found that, I tried www.car-part.com and it's a great page.
> Check it out. It has a long list of names of parts to search for, the
> longest list I've seen, and it has a built in interchange book, so it
> offers up others models and years that used the same part. (In my
> case, the Avalon and Lexus used the same part, for more than one
> year.) Many of them are graded A, B, or C, and it has the name, web
> address, real address, email address, and phone number, and distance
> from the zip code I entered, of the dealer, and added description of
> the part, like what color it is for a body part.
>
> It just tells you what yards have your part, and then you call the
> yard, verify that it's the right part, and do all your dealings with
> the yard, not with car-part.com. I guess recyclers ;-) and junkyards
> pay to list the part, whether it sells or not, since I don't think
> car-part has any way to know if the part ever sells. Right?
>
> I found 4 used part outlets not too far from me that I didnt' know
> about. Well one I knew about and had tried to find, but there was no
> sign on the road and I gave up. Now I have the address and they're on
> a side road. $50. He says he has 24 of them. If it rains, I'll
> pick it up tomorrow. If it doesn't, I still have work to do at home.
> So instead of $369, it will be $50 and 1 or 2 hours of my time to
> install,. I know I'm slow, but it's only got two bolts. I don't know
> how it can take more than an hour once the car is jacked up and on
> stands. Of course it always does take longer than I expect.
>
> After this part is installed, I can return the car I've borrowed
> (Fortunately for me, my friend's wife just never drives anymore, so
> she has it seems no interest in getting the car back. She says,
> "whatever my husband says" )
>
> All it will need is alignment.

"micky" > wrote in message ...
> 1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
> wheels aligned. A toyota.
>
> Who do you think does the best job? A Toyotal dealer, Firestone,
> PepBoys, or a gas station with busy service bays who was recommended?
>
> Someone I know and trust also gave a particular guy at Pep Boys a very
> high recommendation yesterday.
>
> The dealer is having a sale this month, so it's the same price as
> Firestone
>
> I was going to take it to the dealer, because I figured that values that
> are always fine on cars that only hit chuck holes etc. might be messed
> up on mine, given that I knocked a chunk out of my aluminum wheel. I've
> considered the possibility I rotated the entire hub assembly on the
> strut, though I can find no evidence that I did that**
>
> But a guy I was reading on the web felt that the mechanics at dealers
> are all getting paid acc. to flat rate, and that they rush the job to
> make more money.
>
>
> 2) Follow=up on my car. Last Tuesday, I think it was, I finished the
> front and just as I was about to take it around the block for a test
> drive, a young neighbor says, "You know the rear tire is pointing the
> wrong direction!" Actually I hadn't noticed. When I took the tire
> off, closer to the center line than to the hub, I saw that on the right
> rear tire, the forward locating arm was bent, about 25 degrees!
>
> The part is just a metal rod maybe 7/8" thick with a hole on each end.
>
> How much does Toyota want for the part?
>
>
> $159, can you believe it? Is that because prices in general have gone
> up, or is it because it's a foreign car? And Toyota wanted $210 to put
> it on. Firestone said it was a 1.1 hour job and wanted $121 to put it
> on. And then 80 for wheel alignment, but I'm not complaining about
> that.
>
> There are at least two after-market makers of the part and Advance Auto
> sells one for 90 dollars. (The only way you can buy it is Ship to Home)
>
> Before I found that, I tried www.car-part.com and it's a great page.
> Check it out. It has a long list of names of parts to search for, the
> longest list I've seen, and it has a built in interchange book, so it
> offers up others models and years that used the same part. (In my case,
> the Avalon and Lexus used the same part, for more than one year.) Many
> of them are graded A, B, or C, and it has the name, web address, real
> address, email address, and phone number, and distance from the zip code
> I entered, of the dealer, and added description of the part, like what
> color it is for a body part.
>
> It just tells you what yards have your part, and then you call the yard,
> verify that it's the right part, and do all your dealings with the yard,
> not with car-part.com. I guess recyclers ;-) and junkyards pay to list
> the part, whether it sells or not, since I don't think car-part has any
> way to know if the part ever sells. Right?
>
> I found 4 used part outlets not too far from me that I didnt' know
> about. Well one I knew about and had tried to find, but there was no
> sign on the road and I gave up. Now I have the address and they're on a
> side road. $50. He says he has 24 of them. If it rains, I'll pick
> it up tomorrow. If it doesn't, I still have work to do at home. So
> instead of $369, it will be $50 and 1 or 2 hours of my time to install,.
> I know I'm slow, but it's only got two bolts. I don't know how it can
> take more than an hour once the car is jacked up and on stands. Of
> course it always does take longer than I expect.
>
> After this part is installed, I can return the car I've borrowed
> (Fortunately for me, my friend's wife just never drives anymore, so she
> has it seems no interest in getting the car back. She says, "whatever my
> husband says" )
>
> All it will need is alignment.

I think you're doing the right thing by learning as much as you can first. Then at least you can talk intelligently to someone and judge how qualified they are to do the work.

When I need to get a referral for some kind of work that I'm not familiar with, I generally check with the independent places that sell the type of materials that the job would call for. (Indept auto parts shop for mechanics, paint stores for painters, etc.) Then if it's something expensive or really important that they don't screw it up, I get at least 3 references from them and call each one. Takes some time, but this method has worked well for me every time.

I can think of several times that I did not check first. Like the plumber that came over drunk to work on a gas pipe. Or the tree trimmer that was careless and nearly fell out of a tree.

RobertMacy posted for all of us...

I may not have read all messages.

>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:02:21 -0700, micky > wrote:
>
> > 1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
> > wheels aligned. A toyota.
> >
> > ...snip...
>
>
> don't know about the toyota car, but I once hit a deer in Colorado going
> about 65mph [me, not the deer] hit the brakes enough to get the car speed
> down to ?? maybe 45 before impact, plus the screeching tires spooked the
> deer so he tried to change direction and fell under the car. Else very
> likely would have come up over the hood and ended up in wife's lap. Impact
> was LOUD! Car even lurched up going over.
>
> The car drove a bit wonky after that, so went to several places for an
> alignment, One place even commented about, boy this adjustment is waaay
> over. No idea what he meant, but drove a bit better, but still drove
> wonky. Finally at a 'generic' gas station service bin I was telling the
> guy about the impact and how car drives wonky and won't 'hold alignment.
> He went over to the hood, pushed down on the right fender [impact side]
> went over to left fender pushed down. He then put it up on the rack and
> pulled a broken shock out of the right side, suggested I change both, only
> because HE found the true problem, I rewarded him with purchasing two
> shocks. He undid the chain alignment's efforts and set up the front. After
> that it drove just as well as before. So the WHOLE problem was that the
> shock had lost ALL drag. It was like not having a shock in there. Learned
> a lot from that experience. Just share, because *if* you hit something AND
> you have shocks, you may have killed one shock and can no longer be able
> to get the front end back to what it should be. No matter how much you
> work on adjustments.

Obviously they did a crappy job. Suspension inspection is one of the first
things to perform. An honorable shop does not sell parts you do not need.
The shop makes good money and gets a good reputation from honesty.

A tipoff would have been the fur underneath.

Claire would you agree with this?

--
Tekkie

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:37:03 -0400, wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:21:12 -0400, "Steve W." >
>wrote:
>
>>micky wrote:
>>> 1) After all the damage to my wheels, etc. I figure I should have the
>>> wheels aligned. A toyota.
>>>
>>> Who do you think does the best job? A Toyotal dealer, Firestone,
>>> PepBoys, or a gas station with busy service bays who was recommended?
>>>
>>> Someone I know and trust also gave a particular guy at Pep Boys a very
>>> high recommendation yesterday.
>>>
>>> The dealer is having a sale this month, so it's the same price as
>>> Firestone
>>>
>>> I was going to take it to the dealer, because I figured that values that
>>> are always fine on cars that only hit chuck holes etc. might be messed
>>> up on mine, given that I knocked a chunk out of my aluminum wheel. I've
>>> considered the possibility I rotated the entire hub assembly on the
>>> strut, though I can find no evidence that I did that**
>>>
>>> But a guy I was reading on the web felt that the mechanics at dealers
>>> are all getting paid acc. to flat rate, and that they rush the job to
>>> make more money.
>>
>>In this case I would suggest a dealer. For a couple reasons. One is that
>>they are familiar with your make of vehicle far more than a chain store,
>>and as such the tech may notice other damage or issues that you didn't
>>see. Two is that some vehicles need additional parts if they do need
>>things moved for an alignment, the dealer will likely have those on hand.
>>Pretty much ALL techs get paid flat rate these days. So, yes they try to
>>get things done. BUT if they know how to run the machine and pay
>>attention it will turn out OK.
>>
>>Make sure you specify a 4 wheel alignment, that damaged radius rod may
>>have tweaked other parts in the rear as well. I would check to make sure
>>that rim isn't bent and that nothing else was damaged.
> You want to pray REAL HARD you didn't tweak the uni-body - that's
>like bending the frame but the whole car body gets bent out of shape
>and it needs to be pulled back to alignment on a unicoupe rack.

Well, a couple days ago I had the top down about half way, and when I
put the top up again, it met the windshield properly.

In 1970, I lent my 1965 Pontiac Catalina convertible to a young guy and
within an hour he ran a stop sign in a school zone, because, he said, I
pickup camper was parked where he couldn't see the sign.

After that, the pins in the top were at least an inch from the matching
holes in the windshield frame. For one or two years. Then they were
perfect for one or two years, and then they were just as bad as before
for one or two years.

So the fact that the top matched the windshield on this one occasion is
encouraging.