2000 Chrysler Concorde LXi - Tests Practical?

there is also a TSB for this issue in 96 but not sure it applies to a 2000


"Rob" <nobody > wrote in message
ng.com...
>a fluid and filter change ( NOT a flush) and getting the dealer to do TCM
>update, might be the trick there. its the quickest and cheapest most
>likely.
>
>
>
> "jaygreg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yes; the DGX 4 speed.
>>
>> On 4/2/2011 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
>>> got any idea what trans is has? 604? 606?
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> It has a 3.2 engine. All hoses and belts were changed as scheduled...
>>>> new
>>>> water pump replaced when the timing belt was replaced as well.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea what that slight hesitation is was the car shifts at very low
>>>> speed? I can often "baby" it and avoid it from slamming into gear. But
>>>> then... I'm not even sure it's the transmission. It reminds me of a
>>>> universal joint on older cars. I remember that feeling (and replaced
>>>> the
>>>> joint myself if I can recall correctly...a bout 45 years ago.)
>>>>
>>>> The car starts to roll fine with no "bump" until it reaches 10 to 15
>>>> mph.
>>>> Then it's a slight hesitation and I get the sensation that a gear is
>>>> suddenly catching. Not hard, but enough to create a "bump". A passenger
>>>> wouldn't even notice it unless I described it and pointed it out when
>>>> it
>>>> happened. Been doing that for years but it seems to be a little more
>>>> noticeable.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2011 8:18 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>> they do have freeze frame capabilities on the factory scan tool, to
>>>>> check
>>>>> the current operating conditions of the engine and trans. it would be
>>>>> damn
>>>>> hard to trouble shoot a lot of problems if they didnt. but you wind
>>>>> up
>>>>> sending 2-3 hours of labor for checking every system in the car.
>>>>> Really
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> ask about the updates, recalls and leave it at that. if it's running
>>>>> good,
>>>>> the main thing is keeping all the filters, fluids and belts changed at
>>>>> the
>>>>> right time for YOUR driving conditions. one of the most common thing
>>>>> folks
>>>>> forget is the radiator hoses. they do tend to get soft at times,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> the lower one and can suck shut at highway speeds due to suction from
>>>>> the
>>>>> water pump, or cracked and dried up. don't forget the diff fluid too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 191,000 on my 96 LHS i am currently not driving it due to a
>>>>> bad
>>>>> trans, but otherwise the engine is still running strong, and clean as
>>>>> a
>>>>> whistle inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> by the way, what engine is in there? 3.5?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I called a local Chrysler dealer service manager (Summit County Ohio)
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> discussed my concerns. He asked if my engine light was coming on.
>>>>>> When I
>>>>>> told him "No", he told me he wouldn't be able to tell me anything by
>>>>>> hooking up his machine to the engine. He DID say he could make sure I
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> the latest computer updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it make sense to have a dealership flash the computer? I'd a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> concerned about that old adage, "If it ain't broke... don't fix it."
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> under the impression they could hook their machines to the computer
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> simply read the output. He led me to believe he wants to update it...
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> see what happens. I'm not too comfortable about that but.... is this
>>>>>> recommended for a car with 124,000 miles on it...and no apparent
>>>>>> issues?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> simply wanna' keep it that way by catching any significant issues in
>>>>>> advance that I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/30/2011 12:20 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>> depends on your state. i first noticed it about 3-4 years ago here
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> fla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Good point. Got a rough idea when that began filtering in? It's
>>>>>>>> been 9
>>>>>>>> months since I changed driving patterns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2011 11:56 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>> your drop in mileage may very well be due to the dang 10% ethanol
>>>>>>>>> fuel
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> are all forced to run now......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> I've taken pretty good care of this car and it's served me well.
>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> 123,000 miles, it looks amazingly good. I put a new suspension
>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the car last year (carriage mounts, struts with coils all
>>>>>>>>>> around).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a Chrysler mechanic can do what I think he can, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>> hooked up to their diagnostic machines and printouts of anything
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> might be wrong. I've heard there are updates to the computer that
>>>>>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>> such things as fuel mileage and transmission shifting. I've never
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> called for any such updates. Specifically, I'd like to make sure
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> power loss in any cylinder and the transmission is shifting
>>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> feel a slight hesitation - like a little bump - when it shifts
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> drive. Around 15 - 20 MPH I'd say. And over the past 6000 - 8000
>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> MPG has slipped about 0.5 MPG but there has been a change in
>>>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>>>> pattern which probably accounts for that (less long distance;
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> with stop and go).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to do this and if so, what can I expect to
>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> such a thorough checkup?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

It's been changed. The only thing remaining is that update then.

On 4/3/2011 12:09 AM, Rob wrote:
> a fluid and filter change ( NOT a flush) and getting the dealer to do TCM
> update, might be the trick there. its the quickest and cheapest most likely.
>
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yes; the DGX 4 speed.
>>
>> On 4/2/2011 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
>>> got any idea what trans is has? 604? 606?
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> It has a 3.2 engine. All hoses and belts were changed as scheduled...
>>>> new
>>>> water pump replaced when the timing belt was replaced as well.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea what that slight hesitation is was the car shifts at very low
>>>> speed? I can often "baby" it and avoid it from slamming into gear. But
>>>> then... I'm not even sure it's the transmission. It reminds me of a
>>>> universal joint on older cars. I remember that feeling (and replaced the
>>>> joint myself if I can recall correctly...a bout 45 years ago.)
>>>>
>>>> The car starts to roll fine with no "bump" until it reaches 10 to 15
>>>> mph.
>>>> Then it's a slight hesitation and I get the sensation that a gear is
>>>> suddenly catching. Not hard, but enough to create a "bump". A passenger
>>>> wouldn't even notice it unless I described it and pointed it out when it
>>>> happened. Been doing that for years but it seems to be a little more
>>>> noticeable.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2011 8:18 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>> they do have freeze frame capabilities on the factory scan tool, to
>>>>> check
>>>>> the current operating conditions of the engine and trans. it would be
>>>>> damn
>>>>> hard to trouble shoot a lot of problems if they didnt. but you wind up
>>>>> sending 2-3 hours of labor for checking every system in the car.
>>>>> Really
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> ask about the updates, recalls and leave it at that. if it's running
>>>>> good,
>>>>> the main thing is keeping all the filters, fluids and belts changed at
>>>>> the
>>>>> right time for YOUR driving conditions. one of the most common thing
>>>>> folks
>>>>> forget is the radiator hoses. they do tend to get soft at times,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> the lower one and can suck shut at highway speeds due to suction from
>>>>> the
>>>>> water pump, or cracked and dried up. don't forget the diff fluid too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 191,000 on my 96 LHS i am currently not driving it due to a
>>>>> bad
>>>>> trans, but otherwise the engine is still running strong, and clean as a
>>>>> whistle inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> by the way, what engine is in there? 3.5?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I called a local Chrysler dealer service manager (Summit County Ohio)
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> discussed my concerns. He asked if my engine light was coming on. When
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> told him "No", he told me he wouldn't be able to tell me anything by
>>>>>> hooking up his machine to the engine. He DID say he could make sure I
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> the latest computer updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it make sense to have a dealership flash the computer? I'd a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> concerned about that old adage, "If it ain't broke... don't fix it." I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> under the impression they could hook their machines to the computer
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> simply read the output. He led me to believe he wants to update it...
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> see what happens. I'm not too comfortable about that but.... is this
>>>>>> recommended for a car with 124,000 miles on it...and no apparent
>>>>>> issues?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> simply wanna' keep it that way by catching any significant issues in
>>>>>> advance that I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/30/2011 12:20 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>> depends on your state. i first noticed it about 3-4 years ago here
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> fla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Good point. Got a rough idea when that began filtering in? It's been
>>>>>>>> 9
>>>>>>>> months since I changed driving patterns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2011 11:56 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>> your drop in mileage may very well be due to the dang 10% ethanol
>>>>>>>>> fuel
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> are all forced to run now......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> I've taken pretty good care of this car and it's served me well.
>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> 123,000 miles, it looks amazingly good. I put a new suspension
>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the car last year (carriage mounts, struts with coils all around).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a Chrysler mechanic can do what I think he can, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>> hooked up to their diagnostic machines and printouts of anything
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> might be wrong. I've heard there are updates to the computer that
>>>>>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>> such things as fuel mileage and transmission shifting. I've never
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> called for any such updates. Specifically, I'd like to make sure I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> power loss in any cylinder and the transmission is shifting
>>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> feel a slight hesitation - like a little bump - when it shifts
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> drive. Around 15 - 20 MPH I'd say. And over the past 6000 - 8000
>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> MPG has slipped about 0.5 MPG but there has been a change in
>>>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>>>> pattern which probably accounts for that (less long distance; more
>>>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> with stop and go).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to do this and if so, what can I expect to
>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> such a thorough checkup?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

I've not been too impressed with the two Chrysler dealerships in my area
over the years; mechanic changes. By contrast, there's a specialty
transmission repair (Richard's Garage - Akron) that repaired my '85
Sable a long time ago. They're well respected here and that's what they
do all day long; repair transmissions.

See any downside to letting them make the update? I assume the task
doesn't have to be done by a Chrysler dealer, does it? I doubt it
there's a difference in price. My guess is Richards has more experience
since dealers run the gambit of repairing everything and may even farm
out their transmissions to Richard for all I know.

On 4/3/2011 12:13 AM, Rob wrote:
> there is also a TSB for this issue in 96 but not sure it applies to a 2000
>
>
> "Rob"<nobody > wrote in message
> ng.com...
>> a fluid and filter change ( NOT a flush) and getting the dealer to do TCM
>> update, might be the trick there. its the quickest and cheapest most
>> likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Yes; the DGX 4 speed.
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2011 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>> got any idea what trans is has? 604? 606?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> It has a 3.2 engine. All hoses and belts were changed as scheduled...
>>>>> new
>>>>> water pump replaced when the timing belt was replaced as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea what that slight hesitation is was the car shifts at very low
>>>>> speed? I can often "baby" it and avoid it from slamming into gear. But
>>>>> then... I'm not even sure it's the transmission. It reminds me of a
>>>>> universal joint on older cars. I remember that feeling (and replaced
>>>>> the
>>>>> joint myself if I can recall correctly...a bout 45 years ago.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The car starts to roll fine with no "bump" until it reaches 10 to 15
>>>>> mph.
>>>>> Then it's a slight hesitation and I get the sensation that a gear is
>>>>> suddenly catching. Not hard, but enough to create a "bump". A passenger
>>>>> wouldn't even notice it unless I described it and pointed it out when
>>>>> it
>>>>> happened. Been doing that for years but it seems to be a little more
>>>>> noticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/2011 8:18 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>> they do have freeze frame capabilities on the factory scan tool, to
>>>>>> check
>>>>>> the current operating conditions of the engine and trans. it would be
>>>>>> damn
>>>>>> hard to trouble shoot a lot of problems if they didnt. but you wind
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> sending 2-3 hours of labor for checking every system in the car.
>>>>>> Really
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> ask about the updates, recalls and leave it at that. if it's running
>>>>>> good,
>>>>>> the main thing is keeping all the filters, fluids and belts changed at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right time for YOUR driving conditions. one of the most common thing
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> forget is the radiator hoses. they do tend to get soft at times,
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> the lower one and can suck shut at highway speeds due to suction from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> water pump, or cracked and dried up. don't forget the diff fluid too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have 191,000 on my 96 LHS i am currently not driving it due to a
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> trans, but otherwise the engine is still running strong, and clean as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> whistle inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by the way, what engine is in there? 3.5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I called a local Chrysler dealer service manager (Summit County Ohio)
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> discussed my concerns. He asked if my engine light was coming on.
>>>>>>> When I
>>>>>>> told him "No", he told me he wouldn't be able to tell me anything by
>>>>>>> hooking up his machine to the engine. He DID say he could make sure I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> the latest computer updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it make sense to have a dealership flash the computer? I'd a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> concerned about that old adage, "If it ain't broke... don't fix it."
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> under the impression they could hook their machines to the computer
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> simply read the output. He led me to believe he wants to update it...
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> see what happens. I'm not too comfortable about that but.... is this
>>>>>>> recommended for a car with 124,000 miles on it...and no apparent
>>>>>>> issues?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> simply wanna' keep it that way by catching any significant issues in
>>>>>>> advance that I can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/30/2011 12:20 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>> depends on your state. i first noticed it about 3-4 years ago here
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> fla.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Good point. Got a rough idea when that began filtering in? It's
>>>>>>>>> been 9
>>>>>>>>> months since I changed driving patterns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2011 11:56 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> your drop in mileage may very well be due to the dang 10% ethanol
>>>>>>>>>> fuel
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> are all forced to run now......
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> I've taken pretty good care of this car and it's served me well.
>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> 123,000 miles, it looks amazingly good. I put a new suspension
>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the car last year (carriage mounts, struts with coils all
>>>>>>>>>>> around).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If a Chrysler mechanic can do what I think he can, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>> hooked up to their diagnostic machines and printouts of anything
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> might be wrong. I've heard there are updates to the computer that
>>>>>>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>> such things as fuel mileage and transmission shifting. I've never
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> called for any such updates. Specifically, I'd like to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> power loss in any cylinder and the transmission is shifting
>>>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> feel a slight hesitation - like a little bump - when it shifts
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> drive. Around 15 - 20 MPH I'd say. And over the past 6000 - 8000
>>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> MPG has slipped about 0.5 MPG but there has been a change in
>>>>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>>>>> pattern which probably accounts for that (less long distance;
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>>> with stop and go).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to do this and if so, what can I expect to
>>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> such a thorough checkup?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

most dealers have 1 or 2 guys that are trans specialists. Plus they get the
factory training and tools. that's not to say independent shops don't get
that info but the dealers get it sooner and have access to the factory for
input if they need it.

Trans shop can do the same updates, and usually the price is good. the
choice is yours.


"jaygreg" > wrote in message
...
> I've not been too impressed with the two Chrysler dealerships in my area
> over the years; mechanic changes. By contrast, there's a specialty
> transmission repair (Richard's Garage - Akron) that repaired my '85 Sable
> a long time ago. They're well respected here and that's what they do all
> day long; repair transmissions.
>
> See any downside to letting them make the update? I assume the task
> doesn't have to be done by a Chrysler dealer, does it? I doubt it there's
> a difference in price. My guess is Richards has more experience since
> dealers run the gambit of repairing everything and may even farm out their
> transmissions to Richard for all I know.
>
> On 4/3/2011 12:13 AM, Rob wrote:
>> there is also a TSB for this issue in 96 but not sure it applies to a
>> 2000
>>
>>
>> "Rob"<nobody > wrote in message
>> ng.com...
>>> a fluid and filter change ( NOT a flush) and getting the dealer to do
>>> TCM
>>> update, might be the trick there. its the quickest and cheapest most
>>> likely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Yes; the DGX 4 speed.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/2/2011 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>> got any idea what trans is has? 604? 606?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> It has a 3.2 engine. All hoses and belts were changed as scheduled...
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> water pump replaced when the timing belt was replaced as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any idea what that slight hesitation is was the car shifts at very
>>>>>> low
>>>>>> speed? I can often "baby" it and avoid it from slamming into gear.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> then... I'm not even sure it's the transmission. It reminds me of a
>>>>>> universal joint on older cars. I remember that feeling (and replaced
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> joint myself if I can recall correctly...a bout 45 years ago.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The car starts to roll fine with no "bump" until it reaches 10 to 15
>>>>>> mph.
>>>>>> Then it's a slight hesitation and I get the sensation that a gear is
>>>>>> suddenly catching. Not hard, but enough to create a "bump". A
>>>>>> passenger
>>>>>> wouldn't even notice it unless I described it and pointed it out when
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> happened. Been doing that for years but it seems to be a little more
>>>>>> noticeable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/1/2011 8:18 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>> they do have freeze frame capabilities on the factory scan tool, to
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> the current operating conditions of the engine and trans. it would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> damn
>>>>>>> hard to trouble shoot a lot of problems if they didnt. but you wind
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> sending 2-3 hours of labor for checking every system in the car.
>>>>>>> Really
>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>> ask about the updates, recalls and leave it at that. if it's
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>> the main thing is keeping all the filters, fluids and belts changed
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> right time for YOUR driving conditions. one of the most common thing
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> forget is the radiator hoses. they do tend to get soft at times,
>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>> the lower one and can suck shut at highway speeds due to suction
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> water pump, or cracked and dried up. don't forget the diff fluid
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have 191,000 on my 96 LHS i am currently not driving it due to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>> trans, but otherwise the engine is still running strong, and clean
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> whistle inside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by the way, what engine is in there? 3.5?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> I called a local Chrysler dealer service manager (Summit County
>>>>>>>> Ohio)
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> discussed my concerns. He asked if my engine light was coming on.
>>>>>>>> When I
>>>>>>>> told him "No", he told me he wouldn't be able to tell me anything
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> hooking up his machine to the engine. He DID say he could make sure
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> the latest computer updates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to have a dealership flash the computer? I'd a
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> concerned about that old adage, "If it ain't broke... don't fix
>>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> under the impression they could hook their machines to the computer
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> simply read the output. He led me to believe he wants to update
>>>>>>>> it...
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> see what happens. I'm not too comfortable about that but.... is
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> recommended for a car with 124,000 miles on it...and no apparent
>>>>>>>> issues?
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> simply wanna' keep it that way by catching any significant issues
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> advance that I can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/30/2011 12:20 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>> depends on your state. i first noticed it about 3-4 years ago
>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> fla.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Good point. Got a rough idea when that began filtering in? It's
>>>>>>>>>> been 9
>>>>>>>>>> months since I changed driving patterns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2011 11:56 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> your drop in mileage may very well be due to the dang 10%
>>>>>>>>>>> ethanol
>>>>>>>>>>> fuel
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> are all forced to run now......
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've taken pretty good care of this car and it's served me
>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> 123,000 miles, it looks amazingly good. I put a new suspension
>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the car last year (carriage mounts, struts with coils all
>>>>>>>>>>>> around).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If a Chrysler mechanic can do what I think he can, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>> hooked up to their diagnostic machines and printouts of
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> might be wrong. I've heard there are updates to the computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>>> such things as fuel mileage and transmission shifting. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>> called for any such updates. Specifically, I'd like to make
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> power loss in any cylinder and the transmission is shifting
>>>>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel a slight hesitation - like a little bump - when it shifts
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive. Around 15 - 20 MPH I'd say. And over the past 6000 -
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8000
>>>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> MPG has slipped about 0.5 MPG but there has been a change in
>>>>>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>>>>>> pattern which probably accounts for that (less long distance;
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>>>> with stop and go).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to do this and if so, what can I expect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> such a thorough checkup?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Where can I find this TSB on the web so I can read it and determine if
the issue it addresses is the one I'm experiencing?

On 4/3/2011 12:13 AM, Rob wrote:
> there is also a TSB for this issue in 96 but not sure it applies to a 2000
>
>
> "Rob"<nobody > wrote in message
> ng.com...
>> a fluid and filter change ( NOT a flush) and getting the dealer to do TCM
>> update, might be the trick there. its the quickest and cheapest most
>> likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Yes; the DGX 4 speed.
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2011 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>> got any idea what trans is has? 604? 606?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> It has a 3.2 engine. All hoses and belts were changed as scheduled...
>>>>> new
>>>>> water pump replaced when the timing belt was replaced as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea what that slight hesitation is was the car shifts at very low
>>>>> speed? I can often "baby" it and avoid it from slamming into gear. But
>>>>> then... I'm not even sure it's the transmission. It reminds me of a
>>>>> universal joint on older cars. I remember that feeling (and replaced
>>>>> the
>>>>> joint myself if I can recall correctly...a bout 45 years ago.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The car starts to roll fine with no "bump" until it reaches 10 to 15
>>>>> mph.
>>>>> Then it's a slight hesitation and I get the sensation that a gear is
>>>>> suddenly catching. Not hard, but enough to create a "bump". A passenger
>>>>> wouldn't even notice it unless I described it and pointed it out when
>>>>> it
>>>>> happened. Been doing that for years but it seems to be a little more
>>>>> noticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/2011 8:18 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>> they do have freeze frame capabilities on the factory scan tool, to
>>>>>> check
>>>>>> the current operating conditions of the engine and trans. it would be
>>>>>> damn
>>>>>> hard to trouble shoot a lot of problems if they didnt. but you wind
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> sending 2-3 hours of labor for checking every system in the car.
>>>>>> Really
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> ask about the updates, recalls and leave it at that. if it's running
>>>>>> good,
>>>>>> the main thing is keeping all the filters, fluids and belts changed at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right time for YOUR driving conditions. one of the most common thing
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> forget is the radiator hoses. they do tend to get soft at times,
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> the lower one and can suck shut at highway speeds due to suction from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> water pump, or cracked and dried up. don't forget the diff fluid too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have 191,000 on my 96 LHS i am currently not driving it due to a
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> trans, but otherwise the engine is still running strong, and clean as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> whistle inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by the way, what engine is in there? 3.5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I called a local Chrysler dealer service manager (Summit County Ohio)
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> discussed my concerns. He asked if my engine light was coming on.
>>>>>>> When I
>>>>>>> told him "No", he told me he wouldn't be able to tell me anything by
>>>>>>> hooking up his machine to the engine. He DID say he could make sure I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> the latest computer updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it make sense to have a dealership flash the computer? I'd a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> concerned about that old adage, "If it ain't broke... don't fix it."
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> under the impression they could hook their machines to the computer
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> simply read the output. He led me to believe he wants to update it...
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> see what happens. I'm not too comfortable about that but.... is this
>>>>>>> recommended for a car with 124,000 miles on it...and no apparent
>>>>>>> issues?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> simply wanna' keep it that way by catching any significant issues in
>>>>>>> advance that I can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/30/2011 12:20 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>> depends on your state. i first noticed it about 3-4 years ago here
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> fla.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Good point. Got a rough idea when that began filtering in? It's
>>>>>>>>> been 9
>>>>>>>>> months since I changed driving patterns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2011 11:56 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> your drop in mileage may very well be due to the dang 10% ethanol
>>>>>>>>>> fuel
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> are all forced to run now......
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> I've taken pretty good care of this car and it's served me well.
>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> 123,000 miles, it looks amazingly good. I put a new suspension
>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the car last year (carriage mounts, struts with coils all
>>>>>>>>>>> around).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If a Chrysler mechanic can do what I think he can, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>> hooked up to their diagnostic machines and printouts of anything
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> might be wrong. I've heard there are updates to the computer that
>>>>>>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>> such things as fuel mileage and transmission shifting. I've never
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> called for any such updates. Specifically, I'd like to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> power loss in any cylinder and the transmission is shifting
>>>>>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> feel a slight hesitation - like a little bump - when it shifts
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> drive. Around 15 - 20 MPH I'd say. And over the past 6000 - 8000
>>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> MPG has slipped about 0.5 MPG but there has been a change in
>>>>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>>>>> pattern which probably accounts for that (less long distance;
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>>> with stop and go).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to do this and if so, what can I expect to
>>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> such a thorough checkup?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"jaygreg" > wrote in message
...
> It's been changed. The only thing remaining is that update then.
>

With what fluid?

Dexron has fewer friction modifiers than ATF+4, hence it isn't as "slippery"
this can make the clutches in the trans grab instead of smoothly engaging,
the TCM/PCM tries to compensate but can't fully. This causes binding and
"bump shift" along with potentially destroying the transmission.

If Dexron was used, with or without Lubegard the fluid needs to be changed
again but now the system must be flushed too to get what is in the torque
converter.

If ATF+4 was used the problem is something else. http://www.centerforqa.com

IT was ATF+4, Dan.

On 4/3/2011 11:00 PM, Daniel who wants to know wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> It's been changed. The only thing remaining is that update then.
>>
>
> With what fluid?
>
> Dexron has fewer friction modifiers than ATF+4, hence it isn't as "slippery"
> this can make the clutches in the trans grab instead of smoothly engaging,
> the TCM/PCM tries to compensate but can't fully. This causes binding and
> "bump shift" along with potentially destroying the transmission.
>
> If Dexron was used, with or without Lubegard the fluid needs to be changed
> again but now the system must be flushed too to get what is in the torque
> converter.
>
> If ATF+4 was used the problem is something else. http://www.centerforqa.com
>
>