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Because Detroit sells outdated equipment, including tooling, to foreign
countries. "Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message ... > > And Bill... perhaps you'll tell us how the trucks from the > US are getting to Cuba... that one's got me wondering... > __ |
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The World wage blew past us ten years ago:
http://www.phil.frb.org/files/br/brma98sg.pdf And the stupid people in this thread still think dollar per dollar the Japanese can build a better car than Americans. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > > While this may have been the norm in the past, it is rapidly becoming > obsolete thinking. Yes, wages are much less overseas (in Asia especially) > but costs of living are also much lower as well; the wage/cost of living gap > in these regions are wider than the West, but the gap is rapidly closing. > "Sweat shop" factories really aren't as prevalent as most of us in the West > think; in the case of automotive manufacturers, most of these Asian plants > are as state-of-the-art as any in the West and are staffed by workers who > want those jobs because they pay better than anything else around. > > In a nutshell, the world business climate is changing, and the next three > to five generations of Americans are going to be left behind if they aren't > prepared for it. > > Reading suggestion: "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. |
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I've a friend in Thailand who gets paid about 1.50 per hour - she has an MSc
as well.. In the villages, 9 year old children work after school.. That's why we can buy silk ties for 2 quid there that get sold for 20 quid here.. Sweat shops very much do exist, and you can bet that the imigrants that make it here are sending the money back home to support their relatives. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message ... > "Sweat shop" factories really aren't as prevalent as most of us in the West > think; in the case of automotive manufacturers, most of these Asian plants > are as state-of-the-art as any in the West and are staffed by workers who > want those jobs because they pay better than anything else around. |
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Where in my post did I say "sweat shops don't exist?" As the standard of
living in these countries grows, you'll see less of them over time. "Dave Milne" > wrote in message . uk... > I've a friend in Thailand who gets paid about 1.50 per hour - she has an > MSc > as well.. In the villages, 9 year old children work after school.. > That's > why we can buy silk ties for 2 quid there that get sold for 20 quid here.. > Sweat shops very much do exist, and you can bet that the imigrants that > make > it here are sending the money back home to support their relatives. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message > ... >> "Sweat shop" factories really aren't as prevalent as most of us in the > West >> think; in the case of automotive manufacturers, most of these Asian >> plants >> are as state-of-the-art as any in the West and are staffed by workers who >> want those jobs because they pay better than anything else around. > > |
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"Dave Milne" > wrote in message . uk... > I've a friend in Thailand who gets paid about 1.50 per hour - she has an MSc > as well.. In the villages, 9 year old children work after school.. That's > why we can buy silk ties for 2 quid there that get sold for 20 quid here.. > Sweat shops very much do exist, and you can bet that the imigrants that make > it here are sending the money back home to support their relatives. > And a ways back, in this country right here, big families were the norm becuase kids were more or less field hands. IOW, they worked their asses off to pull their weight for the greater family good. This is still relatively common within certain communities. I seen 9-10 yr old kids all the time bustin their humps mowing grass, feeding livestock, working the fields with pop. Nothing wrong with a kid working his butt off like the rest of the family. If it's done with a whip, that's a different story altogether. I've been to some of these places first hand and SEEN some of what people bitch about. Are things up to our standards? Not really, but they do go more or less hand in hand with the current economic development of the countries it happens in. Just as it did in our day here. At $1.50 an hour she is right up there making pretty damn good money for the section of world she lives in. $1.50 hr is pretty damn good for places like India, China, etc and is right in line with the general cost of living in those areas. You want to see **** poor conditions, for EVERYone concerned, not just kids, go to India one time. The cities there are literal hell holes and I don't care what your age is. Damn near everyone (and in a country of over 1 billion people, "damn near" is a lot) works on a dirt floor in crappy conditions. Do you know how they pave highways over there? By hand. A truck dumps a bunch of big ass rocks at the jobsite, everyone with enough muscle turns the biguns into little 'uns, mom and the kids fill up woven baskets, carry them to the edge of the new road, and dump them out to form the base. Rince, repeat, and at the end of the day setup a tent (if your lucky enough to have one) at the edge of the days progress and wait till morning to do it all again. I've seen it first hand. Are they being "abused"? Not a bit becuase it's just the way it is right now. These places are just beginning to have their Industrial Revolution and improving conditions will follow right along, just as it did here during our revolution. Migrants that make it here can send enough money home to let their families back east live DAMN good for their areas. Remember, $250/month is ALREADY good money for some of these places. Double that and you're high on the hog. |
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But since labor costs are still so low in many countries, it's no wonder why
businesses (and not just American businesses) are shifting production to those countries. As far as the Japanese building a better car, I think among major auto manufacturers the quality gap is so small now that it's a crap shoot in trying to determine who builds a "better" car. In the 70's and 80's, it was easier to measure since compared to Japanese imports, American cars of that time were overpriced, gas-guzzling, often-repaired, poorly-built piles of crap. But the industry adjusted and stepped up their game to match the Japanese. Nowadays, the quality gap is more public perception than a quantified, measurable phenomenon. Case in point...Every car I have ever owned was built by a US manufacturer until about two years ago when we decided to lease a Honda minivan for the wifey. Nice vehicle, had the features we wanted, etc, but it had a major factory defect that eventually forced them to buy it back under the Michigan lemon law. And in the interim, American carmakers introduced refinements in their products that brought us to lease a Ford Freestar instead. FWIW, living in suburban Detroit, we probably see a lot fewer imports than in other parts of the country, anyway. I visit my parents in Arkansas and probably half of the cars down there are imports. I can only imagine how many imports you see, Bill... And on that note, it's interesting to see that many parts on my Ford products and TJ are assembled in Mexico...my next-door neighbor, a German with a Mexican wife, works for an international OEM auto supplier, with plants in Mexico, France, Germany, UK, and USA (he currently works as production manager at the US plant here in Michigan). When the TJ when it was introduced, his company made the anti-sway bar assemblies at their Mexico plant, which is where he was stationed at the time. The company supplies parts (mainly insulation and acoustic panels) for every major carmarker in the world. "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > The World wage blew past us ten years ago: > http://www.phil.frb.org/files/br/brma98sg.pdf And the stupid people in > this thread still think dollar per dollar the Japanese can build a > better car than Americans. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote: >> >> While this may have been the norm in the past, it is rapidly becoming >> obsolete thinking. Yes, wages are much less overseas (in Asia especially) >> but costs of living are also much lower as well; the wage/cost of living >> gap >> in these regions are wider than the West, but the gap is rapidly >> closing. >> "Sweat shop" factories really aren't as prevalent as most of us in the >> West >> think; in the case of automotive manufacturers, most of these Asian >> plants >> are as state-of-the-art as any in the West and are staffed by workers who >> want those jobs because they pay better than anything else around. >> >> In a nutshell, the world business climate is changing, and the next >> three >> to five generations of Americans are going to be left behind if they >> aren't >> prepared for it. >> >> Reading suggestion: "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. |
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"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > Maybe, a better place for you to go would be Cuba, and count their > Japanese cars: http://www.danheller.com/cuba-cars.html Pretty amazing that there's no cars from the '60s, or '70s in those pictures... in fact, I challenge you to show me a picture of an American car made after Castro took power ending up in Cuba... I don't think you can! As far as *many* ending up there, complete hogwash.... you pulled that one from where the sun don't shine. Perhaps Cuba would be a good place for you... they have no Japanese cars, since there's an embargo and Japan is one of our best allies. __ Steve .. |
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"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > The same Lee Harvey Oswald got there, via Mexico. LHO was never in Cuba. __ Steve .. |
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"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > I think you should move to Japan. So what? I think you should move to Iran... you'd like the mullahs, they think a lot like you do. __ Steve .. |
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> "Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
> ... > > > > And Bill... perhaps you'll tell us how the trucks from the > > US are getting to Cuba... that one's got me wondering... > > __ > > "Tom Greening" > wrote in message . .. > Because Detroit sells outdated equipment, including tooling, to foreign > countries. Detroit sells tooling to Cuba? Isn't that illegal? __ Steve .. |
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