Bendix ABS-10

If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete
ABS
> > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is
bad)and
> > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
> > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the
piston
> > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also
recall
> > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
> > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit
the
> > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does
pay
> > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side
filter
> > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the
vehicle,
> > those 2 parts along are about $200.00
> > good luck
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech
>
> Thanks.
>
> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
>

maxpower wrote:

> If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
>>
>> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
>> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?

No such luck. It's gonna cost me $500. Dealer said they'd replace the
whole unit for $1700.

Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?

Technology sucks!

maxpower wrote:

> If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
>>
>> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
>> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?

No such luck. It's gonna cost me $500. Dealer said they'd replace the
whole unit for $1700.

Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?

Technology sucks!

"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
>
> > If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
> >>
> >> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> >> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
>
> No such luck. It's gonna cost me $500. Dealer said they'd replace the
> whole unit for $1700.
>
> Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
>
> Technology sucks!
>

Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet street,
then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
setups are. ;-)

$500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
and the body is straight.

Ted

"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
>
> > If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
> >>
> >> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> >> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
>
> No such luck. It's gonna cost me $500. Dealer said they'd replace the
> whole unit for $1700.
>
> Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
>
> Technology sucks!
>

Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet street,
then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
setups are. ;-)

$500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
and the body is straight.

Ted

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

>> Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
>>
>> Technology sucks!
>>
>
> Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet street,
> then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
> setups are. ;-)

It has drums at the rear anyway, which is no big deal as the rears do
nothing but go along for the ride.

ABS will stop shorter than locked wheels, but longer than a properly
modulated pedal. It is only handy for drivers that panic.


> $500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
> and the body is straight.

Yeah, other than the stoppers the van is in pretty good shape. It just
grinds me that a system that should be - and can be - extremely simple
and reliable is a monstrously complicated leaky unrepairable unreliable pos.

F1 is the most sophisticated automotive technology on the planet. Take a
look at the brakes. Other than 4 pot calipers and carbon rotors, it's
the same system I was racing with in the early '60s.

Technology sucks.

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

>> Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
>>
>> Technology sucks!
>>
>
> Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet street,
> then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
> setups are. ;-)

It has drums at the rear anyway, which is no big deal as the rears do
nothing but go along for the ride.

ABS will stop shorter than locked wheels, but longer than a properly
modulated pedal. It is only handy for drivers that panic.


> $500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
> and the body is straight.

Yeah, other than the stoppers the van is in pretty good shape. It just
grinds me that a system that should be - and can be - extremely simple
and reliable is a monstrously complicated leaky unrepairable unreliable pos.

F1 is the most sophisticated automotive technology on the planet. Take a
look at the brakes. Other than 4 pot calipers and carbon rotors, it's
the same system I was racing with in the early '60s.

Technology sucks.

I agree Ted but this was a **** poor designed system from the start, The
hydraulic pressure in the pump and piston was always under 2000psi, vehicle
running or not, underhood temperatures and all the elements caused this
system to fail miserably, in 94 we had the bendix 4 come out, that was
pressure on demand and I have seen very few problems
"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "mike gray" > wrote in message
> ...
> > maxpower wrote:
> >
> > > If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
> > >>
> > >> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> > >> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
> >
> > No such luck. It's gonna cost me $500. Dealer said they'd replace the
> > whole unit for $1700.
> >
> > Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
> >
> > Technology sucks!
> >
>
> Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet
street,
> then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
> setups are. ;-)
>
> $500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
> and the body is straight.
>
> Ted
>
>

I agree Ted but this was a **** poor designed system from the start, The
hydraulic pressure in the pump and piston was always under 2000psi, vehicle
running or not, underhood temperatures and all the elements caused this
system to fail miserably, in 94 we had the bendix 4 come out, that was
pressure on demand and I have seen very few problems
"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "mike gray" > wrote in message
> ...
> > maxpower wrote:
> >
> > > If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
> > >>
> > >> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> > >> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
> >
> > No such luck. It's gonna cost me $500. Dealer said they'd replace the
> > whole unit for $1700.
> >
> > Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
> >
> > Technology sucks!
> >
>
> Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet
street,
> then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
> setups are. ;-)
>
> $500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
> and the body is straight.
>
> Ted
>
>

mike gray wrote:

> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>>> Remember when a master cylinder rebuild kit cost $7.50?
>>>
>>> Technology sucks!
>>>
>>
>> Well, once you get the thing running and it saves your ass on a wet
>> street,
>> then come back and tell us how much better the 4-wheel drum brake
>> setups are. ;-)
>
>
> It has drums at the rear anyway, which is no big deal as the rears do
> nothing but go along for the ride.
>
> ABS will stop shorter than locked wheels, but longer than a properly
> modulated pedal. It is only handy for drivers that panic.

Except that only the best of professional race drivers can modulate
their brakes with sufficient competence to beat ABS. And then only on a
perfect surface. Put one side of the car on pavement and the other on
wet pavement, snow, ice, etc. and ABS will win every time.


>
>> $500 isn't bad if the purchase price of the Caravan wasn't that high,
>> and the body is straight.
>
>
> Yeah, other than the stoppers the van is in pretty good shape. It just
> grinds me that a system that should be - and can be - extremely simple
> and reliable is a monstrously complicated leaky unrepairable unreliable
> pos.
>
> F1 is the most sophisticated automotive technology on the planet. Take a
> look at the brakes. Other than 4 pot calipers and carbon rotors, it's
> the same system I was racing with in the early '60s.
>
> Technology sucks.

No, most technology is fine. Some isn't, but most is. What sucks is
the fact that most people don't understand it.


Matt